The Castigators

[Commissar Molotov]

Apart from letting you charge after you shoot it, the point of having a Bolt Pistol and Power Fist combo kinda lost it's zeal when the 5th Edition Power Fist rules came into effect (ie only a 2nd Power Fist granting 1+ Attack).

 

Oh, right. Well, I'm not interested in game mechanics with Caphius - when it comes to Anteas, perhaps.

[brother varen]

What else has changed for the Castigators with the new codex? Or will we have to wait for the new website to open, to see the new changes? :P

[The Fabricator General]

It's funny really the guy on BoLs has painted the armour on that captain the sameway as I've done the armour on the fourth company.

[brother varen]

Fabricator, how is the 4th company going? Haven't seen much of them. Have you painted the Dreadnought yet? Intrested on how it came out.

 

I was wondering, how are the Castigator sergeants and veterans helmets marked? According to the codex, sergeants have a red helmet/ red stripe and the veterans have a white helmet. Veteran sergeants have a white helmet with red stripe.

 

Has anyone got pics of their entire Castigator army yet?

[Commissar Molotov]

What else has changed for the Castigators with the new codex? Or will we have to wait for the new website to open, to see the new changes? :)

 

I'm really not sure what sort of changes you're expecting! The new Codex hasn't really changed that much, to my mind. The new units (Thunderfire, Redeemer, Sternguard, Vanguard, Ironclad) are all used by the Castigators. If you tell me what sort of changes you're expecting, I can fill you in more.

 

I was wondering, how are the Castigator sergeants and veterans helmets marked? According to the codex, sergeants have a red helmet/ red stripe and the veterans have a white helmet. Veteran sergeants have a white helmet with red stripe.

 

That's something I've always been a bit unsure about. The Castigators have evolved over the years (originally they had a scheme of rotting flesh!) but the helmet colours have sat oddly with me. At one stage I had planned for them to be like the Genesis Chapter, with a scheme diametrically opposed to the Ultramarines - so blue helmets for Sergeants. That's a little close to the Blood Angels devastators, though. I've stuck to 2nd/3rd edition colouring for the most part - Apothecaries are still white, Techmarines are still red, etc. And so to my mind, Veteran Sergeants have a red helmet with a white stripe (rather than the newer laurel wreaths) whilst Veterans have a white helmet. Terminators would be the same, also.

 

I think it works - the Sergeant remains cohesive with his squad whilst Veterans stand out. The thing is that in the Codex, all Sergeants have veteran stats, so it's up to you which Sergeants are 'Veteran' and which are not.

[Zed Alpha]

With the new edition, has there been any fluffwise stuff that the Castigators might have done? Any suitably End Time-y enough acts to herald in the Even More Dystopic Future ?

[Commissar Molotov]

Now, that's a good question. I've been unsure about 'The End Times'. It seems that things are becoming increasingly bad for the Imperium as the end of the millennium approaches. Cults are rising, aliens are attacking with greater fervour... I'm not too sure what the Castigators would be doing. I get the feeling that they would be trying to keep order among the systems of the Howling Stars.

 

In some way, GW's decision to freeze the timeline at 999999.M41 causes no end of problems. The Armageddon War rages, the Eye of Terror pours forth the multitudinous hordes of the Despoiler, the warp seethes, the Tyranids consume ever-more systems as the Necron Tomb Worlds begin to awake.

 

But it makes it hard for us players to move forward with our plot-lines.

[Angelfire]

A GREAT IA, Molotov.

 

I haven't had time to read through all the pages yet, but something bugged me a tad.

 

The planet was a celestial anomaly; one of only a handful in the Imperium known to have a 'tidally locked' orbit. The time the planet took to rotate on its axis and the time it took to orbit the system's star were exactly the same.

 

I don't mean to be pedantic, but isn't this type of equatorial rotation rather common? I full reasons for this assumption, but I don't want to say too much.

 

Anyways, I just wanted to take this chance to congradulate you on perfectly writing this exemplary IA, Molotov.

[brother varen]

With the End times coming, wouldn't space marines chapters question the codex's ability to cope with the current problems. Would they look to the first founding for answers? I mean, the ultramarines changed the codex to adapted to the tyranid menace. Would the space marines change their codex structure to better serve the Imperium? To me it seems that the codex would have to be restructured to cope with the new threats. More chapters to be made, existing chapters having to extend their range of patrols to better safeguard the Imperium. Maybe all purity-minded chapters including the Castigators are called on to help create these new chapters. Maybe this is why the Novamarines rarly fight as a chapter anymore. How will this affect the Castigators? How will they look at the impending doom of the Imperium? I would think that Caphius would be more zealous than ever. What of the other vocates chapters?

 

How has the Castigator's structure changed with the new codex? That is what i meant to ask. :yes:

[Commissar Molotov]

Angelfire - Thank you for the feedback. I'm actually not that happy with the IA as it stands (coding issues aside). Then again, I'm a grumbler. :yes: Hope you enjoy the read. As for the "celestial anomaly" - Why would it be so common? As far as I know, in official GW fluff only the planet Mordian and the planet in the third Ciaphas Cain novel have such an orbit. Your feedback is welcomed on that issue, though.

 

Varen - I'm not sure. You say "Space Marine Chapters would question the Codex..." but I think you're applying yourself on top. Would they question the Codex? The Codex has kept them safe for ten thousand years. The Ultramarines haven't necessarily 'changed' the Codex, they've just utilised Guilliman's tactics in new ways. The Tyranid War Veterans... well, they are the result of Cassius' obsession, and the Seditio Opprimere has only been featured in one bit of BFG fluff (and seems to have been retconned out again in the new Codex).

 

Would the Chapter really restructure? For the Space Marines, tradition means a great deal. If you dishonour the Company, you dishonour all those that have died for that Company. So on and so forth. The High Lords are debating a new founding (that was mentioned in the Eye of Terror campaign fluff) but as of 999.M41, that hasn't happened. I think you're right in that existing Chapters would have to overstretch themselves to safeguard the Imperium.

 

I think many within the Imperium can sense the impending doom as the millennium draws to a close. There's an interesting quote in the Codex:

 

Cassius had been blessed with revelation as he lay dying in the ichor-stained ice. He believed that the Tyranid menace was no mere physical threat. The aliens were Mankind's rightful punishment for their lack of vigilance, and in Cassius' eyes there was no greater calling than to purge them from the galaxy.

 

So I can definitely see the zealous factions of the Chapter becoming more zealous, Caphius included. The zealots might talk of a great reckoning coming, the 'end of times'. (When in careful company, as Nash intimated earlier). But those same zealots aren't going to want to destroy the Company system. Tradition is what makes the Astartes what they are, rather than just mindless, brutal killers.

[Angelfire]

Angelfire - Thank you for the feedback. I'm actually not that happy with the IA as it stands (coding issues aside). Then again, I'm a grumbler. :huh: Hope you enjoy the read. As for the "celestial anomaly" - Why would it be so common? As far as I know, in official GW fluff only the planet Mordian and the planet in the third Ciaphas Cain novel have such an orbit. Your feedback is welcomed on that issue, though.

 

The nearest planetary body in the sky to us in tide-locked, so it must be pretty common, right? Tidal locking is not random.

 

Well the idea of becoming tide-locked lies within the physical mechanics of planetary bodies. All space-bodies revolving in space will become tide-locked in a matter of time (if it is only heavily affected by one graviational source. It's only a matter of time. (and the gravitational force between the bodies, rotational inertia, etc.) (Note: magnetic attractions could also possibly cause tidal-locking. Just substitude "magnetism" for "gravity" in the subsequent sentences.)

 

Basically, this phenomenon occurs due to the center of gravity (CG) being off of of the axis of rotation. This causes the force of gravitational attraction to be stronger on one "side" of the planetary body (the side the CG is on) than the other side. This torque causes an eccentricity or "wobble" in the revolution/rotation. The body undergoing tidal-locking will slowly experience slowing down rotation/speeding up revolution or speeding up rotation/slowing down revolution. Eventually, the period of rotation and revolution will equal each other. In addition, the larger body will eventually tidally-lock itself around the smaller one, as well. (i.e. Pluto and Charon)

 

The systems known to be tidally-locked within our solar systems are listed by Wikipedia as:

The Moon (to Earth); Phobos and Deimos (to Mars); 8 moons (to Jupiter); 15 moons (to Saturn); 4 moons (to Uranus); 2 moons (to Neptune); and Charon and Pluto in twinned tidal-locking, in addition to numerous other bodies predicted to be tidally-locked.

 

The only planetary bodies that will not be tidally-locked are those that undergo disruption of this process, perfectly-spherical bodies with perfectly distributed mass (very, very, very unlikely) or those that enter orbital resonance. (Such as Mercury)

 

Well why have no planets in our solar system undergone this? This is probably because scientists believe that our sun is relatively small (in comparison to non-dwarfs), and that our solar system is relatively young. However, this does not mean such phenomena will not occur in other planets.

 

I apologize for the perhaps overly-lengthy reply, but I hope this satisfies any questions!

[Commissar Molotov]

Hrm, I see... thank you for the insightful post. In that case, I'll drop the 'one of only a handful' comment - but I'm not so sure that it's a fallacy to describe it as "unusual", even if it's not unique. After all, it appealed greatly to Baraquiel - that dichotomy between light and darkness.

 

Definitely food for thought - thank you! :)

[Angelfire]

No problem. Heh, it just goes to show how good your IA is if we have to use a dissertation to provide comments and criticism.

[brother varen]

I didn't mean destroy the traditions of the chapter but would they create new ones or modify the existing ones to better survive the "End of Times?" The Ultramarines modified their traditions to better survive the Tyranids, so why couldn't others? These "End of Times" timeline could allow you some fredoms with the Castigators. New traditions could arise to allow the zealots more influence within the chapter. I'm not by any way saying that the Castigators need to be changed, just saying oppurtunities are there to give some more insight to the chapter. ;)

 

Speaking of traditions, What do the Castigator's have? Making some traditions for the Castigators would give some insight to them. Not all chapters have the same traditions, so makes the Castigators stand out from the others? Are these traditions followed by all companies or certain ones?

 

So have you decided on placing the Castigators in the Howling stars? Have you any ideas concerning how the Castigators reacted towards the news the the Black Conculs? Did they look for survivors?

 

How many succucssors do the Castigators have? Do they have contact with them? What about the other chapters of the vocates that made the pact with the Castigators?

[Commissar Molotov]

I didn't mean destroy the traditions of the chapter but would they create new ones or modify the existing ones to better survive the "End of Times?" The Ultramarines modified their traditions to better survive the Tyranids, so why couldn't others? These "End of Times" timeline could allow you some fredoms with the Castigators. New traditions could arise to allow the zealots more influence within the chapter. I'm not by any way saying that the Castigators need to be changed, just saying oppurtunities are there to give some more insight to the chapter. :)

 

Hrm. I still fear you're trying to force your ideas and opinions on Space Marines in general, and the Castigators in particular. You say '...allow you some freedoms with the Castigators', as though I'm not free to do what I want! :cry: That confuses me - I think I've done a great deal with the Castigators to make them distinct. I certainly think I'm free to make them how I like them. You seem to constantly think the Codex is restricting me. I don't see it that way. Too many DIY Chapter creators go crazy with their freedom, trying to be different. I want to make them distinct. That's more about the character and tone of the Chapter.

 

Plus, don't forget that although we might know of 'the End Times', it would be something vague and uncertain within the 40k universe. It's neat and clear for us, but would it be for people like Caphius? Something else I'm unsure about is when you say '...new traditions could arise to allow the zealots more influence within the Chapter...' - but a 'tradition' to me has to have a long-standing basis. Plus, don't forget that characters like Quintilius seek to prevent the zealots dominating the Chapter too much. If the Castigators broke with the navigators or the astropaths, for example, they would cease to exist. Caphius has been stymied - in some senses, he's reached his potential. He wants to emulate Lycidius - even to better him by reaching the position of Chapter Master (Lycidius' death during the Truth War prevented that) - but Escalus was promoted over Caphius to the position of First-Captain, and rumours say that Timon is being groomed to become a future Chapter Master. Caphius might have become Captain of the Second, but will he ever get any further?

 

Speaking of traditions, What do the Castigator's have? Making some traditions for the Castigators would give some insight to them. Not all chapters have the same traditions, so makes the Castigators stand out from the others? Are these traditions followed by all companies or certain ones?

 

Well, a Chapter will have many traditions. Traditional titles like that of First-Captain, Master of the Watch, etc. The most obvious would be the Castigators' celebrations every fourteen years. Then there are smaller foibles and traditions. For example, the rank of 'Battle-Sergeant', given to the four Terminator-armoured Sergeants in the First Company. Or the tradition within the Chapter that the dying Ancient gives the Crimson Standard to the next Ancient. Is it possible that different parts of the Chapter celebrate different days and have different ceremonies? Sure.

 

But Varen - I'm really confused by your insistence that I give '...some insight...' to the Castigators. I'm always willing to accomodate your questions, and I fear I'm misinterpreting you a little, but you seem to ignore the huge depth already present within the Castigators - they're arguably the best DIY in the Liber (if not the 40k community) - they're certainly one of the DIY Chapters with the greatest depth. With regards to 'insight' and 'depth', I really count only two other Chapters as being equivalent to the Castigators - the Guardian Angels and the Fighting Tigers of Veda. I'm always keen to have 'some insight', but please don't talk about the Castigators as though I've just started with them! :tu:

 

So have you decided on placing the Castigators in the Howling stars? Have you any ideas concerning how the Castigators reacted towards the news the the Black Conculs? Did they look for survivors?

 

The Castigators are within the Howling Stars, yes. I hope to detail the area a little soon. And as for the ideas regarding the Consuls, I mentioned on the last page that they likely would've attempted to investigate what happened to their parent Chapter. I'm keen not to intrude too much on something that GW could easily effect.

 

How many succucssors do the Castigators have? Do they have contact with them? What about the other chapters of the vocates that made the pact with the Castigators?

 

They have two successors, the Redemptors and the Contemptors. Their contact with the Redemptors is sporadic, as Terentius took his Chapter to the southern rim, where the light of the Astronomicon is faint. As for the Contemptors, the Castigators steadfastly refuse to acknowledge them. The Castigators' annals refer to them as traitors, oath-breakers and worse. Woe betide them should the two Chapters ever encounter each other!

 

With regards to the Vocates, the idea always was (from our first 'mission statement') that the Chapters shouldn't be constantly falling over eachother. That was, in my eyes, a major flaw of the Aegyptus Astartes. The Vocates Chapters are quite diverse, especially since the fall of the Reapers, which split the Chapters. The Castigators are cordial, and are certainly closer with some of the Chapters than others (particularly the Judicators and the Thousand Swords) but the collapse of their oath and their seeming isolation really works, I think. It helps exemplify the darkness and despair of the 40k universe.

[Commissar Molotov]

Chapter Master's Household

Chapter Master Quintilius

Ancient Rhetoricus, bearer of the Crimson Standard

Honour Guard, led by Seneschal Acerbus

 

 

Reclusiam

Chaplain Renatus, Master of Sanctity

 

The Forge

Atellus, Master of the Forge

 

Librarium

Senior Epistolary XXXXXX, Chief Librarian

 

 

Apothecarion

Apothecary-Primus XXXXX

 

Chapter Fleet

Battle Barges: Sacred Endeavour, Holy Enterprise

Strike Cruisers: Inviolate, Thrice-Blessed Sword, Defiant, Ascendant, Radiant Light

Assorted escort vessels

 

 

 

 

Company I

Captain: Escalus

• Titles: First-Captain, Regent of Losanco
  
• Heraldry: A clenched fist holding a whip.
  
• Wargear: Power sword (Purgator)
  

Company Standard: The Crux Terminatus, with the Chapter Symbol in a circle at the centre

Company Chaplain: Coratus, 'Karakalla'
Command Squad:
Squad I (Terminator): Battle-Sergeant Caius
Squad II (Terminator): Battle-Sergeant Fautor
Squad III (Terminator):
Squad IV (Terminator):
Squad V (Sternguard):
Squad VI (Sternguard) 'Paragons': Veteran Sergeant --------
Squad VII (Sternguard):
Squad VIII (Sternguard):
Squad IX (Vanguard):
Squad X (Vanguard):
Squad XI (Vanguard):
Squad XII (Vanguard):

 

Company II 'FIREBRANDS'

Captain: Caphius

• Titles: Master of the Watch
  
• Heraldry:
  
• Wargear: Hero's Mantle
  

Company Standard: A twin-headed eagle tearing a snake in half

• Company Chaplain: Nicodemus
  
• Command Squad:
  - Senior Sergeant
  - Standard Bearer Tyrus
  - Codicier Gavius
  - Apothecary Fabian
  
• Squad I (Tactical): Sergeant Soren
  
• Squad II (Tactical): Sergeant Pius
  
• Squad III (Tactical): Sergeant Taurin
  
• Squad IV (Tactical): Sergeant Castus
  
• Squad V (Tactical): Sergeant Lucan
  
• Squad VI (Tactical): Sergeant Remus
  
• Squad VII (Assault): Sergeant Brutus
  
• Squad VIII (Assault): Sergeant Marius
  
• Squad IX (Devastator): Sergeant Valerian
  
• Squad X (Devastator): Sergeant Gaius
  

Associated Elements:

Honoured Ignatius, Venerable Dreadnought

 

Company III 'LIGHTBRINGERS'

Captain: Sirius

• Titles: Master of the Arsenal
  
• Heraldry: A Starburst
  
• Wargear: Power sword (Lux Videbis)
  

Company Standard: A Supernova - at the centre rests a stylised steel skull

• Company Chaplain: Argentus
  
• Command Squad 'The Patriarchs':
  - Senior Sergeant Tarandas
  - Apothecary Gratus
  - Lexicanium Licinus (attached from Librarium)
  
• Squad I (Tactical) 'The Revenants': Sergeant Meridius
  
• Squad II (Tactical) 'Illuminators': Sergeant Deiad
  
• Squad III (Tactical): Sergeant Solemnas
  
• Squad IV (Tactical) 'Vanquishers': Sergeant Xerian
  
• Squad V (Tactical) 'Scions of Baraquiel': Sergeant Barrus
  
• Squad VI (Tactical): Sergeant Hiberus
  
• Squad VII (Assault) 'Nightmares': Sergeant Asprenus
  
• Squad VIII (Assault): Sergeant Torquatus
  
• Squad IX (Devastator) 'Groundbreakers': Sergeant Asturias
  
• Squad X (Devastator) 'Iron Guard': Sergeant Eclectus
  

 

Company IV

Captain: Timon

• Titles: Master of the Fleet
  
• Heraldry:
  
• Wargear: Power sword (The Blade of Thorns), Combi-Plasma Gun (The Chastener)
  

Company Standard: The Downwards-Pointing Blade of Thorns

• Company Chaplain:
  
• Command Squad:
  
• Squad I (Tactical):
  
• Squad II (Tactical):
  
• Squad III (Tactical): Veteran Sergeant Acacius
  
• Squad IV (Tactical): Sergeant Erastus
  
• Squad V (Tactical):
  
• Squad VI (Tactical):
  
• Squad VII (Assault):
  
• Squad VIII (Assault):
  
• Squad IX (Devastator):
  
• Squad X (Devastator): Sergeant Viator
  

 

Company V 'DAUNTLESS'

Captain: Anteas

• Titles: Master of the Marches
  
• Heraldry: A quartered shield bound by chains.
  
• Wargear: Power sword (The Sword of Sorrow)
  

Company Standard: A whip striking

• Company Chaplain: Punitus
  
• Command Squad:
  - Senior Sergeant Caetrus
  - Standard Bearer Bericus
  - Codicier Acastus (attached from Librarium)
  - Apothecary Decius
  
• Squad I (Tactical) 'The Champions': Sergeant Tanthus
  
• Squad II (Tactical) 'Traitor's Bane': Sergeant XXXXX
  
• Squad III (Tactical) 'The Gatekeepers': Sergeant Vitus
  
• Squad IV (Tactical)'The Excruciators: Sergeant Meridius
  
• Squad V (Tactical) 'Grudgebearers': Sergeant XXXXX
  
• Squad VI (Tactical) 'Honourbound': Sergeant XXXXX
  
• Squad VII (Assault) 'Conquerors': Sergeant Atellus
  
• Squad VIII (Assault) 'Blooded': Sergeant Justus
  
• Squad IX (Devastator) 'Thunderers': Sergeant Tibius
  
• Squad X (Devastator) 'Levellers': Sergeant Aulus
  

 

Company VI 'PUREHEARTS'

Captain: Ramus

• Titles: Master of the Rites
  
• Heraldry: A heart wreathed in thorns
  
• Wargear:
  

 

Company VII

Captain: Lucien

• Titles: Chief Victualler
  
• Heraldry:
  
• Wargear:
  

Company Standard: An hourglass

 

Company VIII 'WINGED DEATH'

Captain: Tigris

• Titles:
  
• Heraldry: A winged axe
  
• Wargear: Power-axe (Victrix)
  

Company Standard: Crossed Swords

• Command Squad Tigris - ‘Death From Above’
  - Senior Sergeant Tiberius
  - Standard Bearer
  - Apothecary Crassus
  - Lexicanium Eonus (attached from Librarium)
  
• Squad I (Assault) ‘Glorious’: Sergeant Gaius
  
• Squad II (Assault) ‘Relentless’: Sergeant Cato
  
• Squad III (Assault) ‘Honour Seekers’: Sergeant Cassius
  
• Squad IV (Assault) ‘Resolute’: Sergeant Amatius
  
• Squad V (Assault) ‘Death’s Blades’: Sergeant Crispus
  
• Squad VI (Assault) ‘Iron Resolve’: Sergeant Menathus
  
• Squad VII (Assault) ‘Liberators’: Sergeant Gracus
  
• Squad VIII (Assault) ‘Swift Fury’: Sergeant Septimus
  
• Squad IX (Assault) ‘Warpbane’: Sergeant Lucius
  
• Squad X (Assault) ‘The Disciples’: Sergeant Metellus
  

 

Company IX 'DOOMBRINGERS'

Captain: Malus

• Titles: Master of the Siege
  
• Heraldry: Crossed cannons with a skull above them.
  
• Wargear: Thunder-Hammer and Bolter-Grenade Launcher Combi-Weapon.
  

Company Standard: A broken tower struck by lightning.

• Command Squad
  
• Squad I (Devastator):
  
• Squad II (Devastator):
  
• Squad III (Devastator):
  
• Squad IV (Devastator):
  
• Squad V (Devastator):
  
• Squad VI (Devastator):
  
• Squad VII (Devastator):
  
• Squad VIII (Devastator):
  
• Squad IX (Devastator):
  
• Squad X (Devastator):
  

Company X 'HUNTERS'

Captain: Vatrenus

• Titles: Master of Recruits
  
• Heraldry: An angel coveting a skull.
  
• Wargear:
  

[Ferrus Manus]

Here's my notes:

 

Command Squad Tigris ‘Death From Above’ -

- Senior Sergeant Tiberius

- Standard Bearer Pollux

- Apothecary Crassus

- Chaplain Decius

- Lexicanium Eonus (attached from Librarium)

I Assault Squad ‘Glorious’: Sergeant Gaius

II Assault Squad ‘Relentless’: Sergeant Cato

III Assault Squad ‘Honour Seekers’: Sergeant Cassius

IV Assault Squad ‘Resolute’: Sergeant Amatius

V Assault Squad ‘Death’s Blades’: Sergeant Crispus

VI Assault Squad ‘Iron Resolve’: Sergeant Menathus

VII Assault Squad ‘Liberators’: Sergeant Gracus

VIII Assault Squad ‘Swift Fury’: Sergeant Septimus

IX Assault Squad ‘Warpbane’: Sergeant Lucius

X Assault Squad ‘The Disciples’: Sergeant Metellus

[brother varen]

i in no means meant to say that the work you put into the Castigators is ill thought or not original. I agree with you on the Castigators, I have a great apreciation of them. I apologize for any misunderstandings. I think that i am not wording my thoughts right. I am not that knowledgable in 40k fluff that you are so maybe this is i am not putting my thoughts right.

 

When i think of "Codex", I think of a set of rules or reactions to certain stituations that don't cover all variables to that situation. for example... the guidelines for use of deadly force that a police officer or solider have to follow when having to think of their surivial in a fire fight. If a child came running from around a corner carrying a gun, would you fire? Maybe i am thinking of codex in the wrong light. In my life experiences nothing is set in stone. guidelines and rules don't cover every situation. I hope this helps.

 

You are free to do what you want with the Castigators, I only meant that GW gave a new timeline that has many possiblities for the Castigators. :blush:

 

The tradition for the Battle sargent in the terminator squads, what is it?

[Tyrannicide]

Company III - The Lightbringers

 

Command Squad: Patriarchs

Brother Captain Sirius

Senior Sergeant Tarandas

Chaplain Argentus

Apothecary Gratus

Lexicanium Licinus (attached from Librarium)

I Tactical Squad Meridius: Revenants

II Tactical Squad Deiad: Illuminators

III Tactical Squad Solemnas: Descendants of Loscano

IV Tactical Squad Xerian: Vanquishers

V Tactical Squad Barrus: Scions of Baraquiel

VI Tactical Squad Hiberus: XXX

I Assault Squad Asprenus: Nightmares

II Assault Squad Torquatus: XXX

I Devastator Squad Asturias: Groundbreakers

II Devastator Squad Eclectus: Iron Guard

 

 

The sixth tactical squad and second assault squad will have names later, I just hadn't come up with anymore just yet. Anyways I'd like to start a complete overhaul of the Third Company's personal timeline, which will include some notable campaigns and events that the 'Lightbringers' have been involved in. In addition I will be creating a timeline of Captain Sirius. It will start with his life on Loscano and move further on into the time of being selected to lead the Third Company in the fires of combat, to finally the most recent battles he has lead the famed third in.

[Commissar Molotov]

i in no means meant to say that the work you put into the Castigators is ill thought or not original. I agree with you on the Castigators, I have a great apreciation of them. I apologize for any misunderstandings. I think that i am not wording my thoughts right. I am not that knowledgable in 40k fluff that you are so maybe this is i am not putting my thoughts right.

 

When i think of "Codex", I think of a set of rules or reactions to certain stituations that don't cover all variables to that situation. for example... the guidelines for use of deadly force that a police officer or solider have to follow when having to think of their surivial in a fire fight. If a child came running from around a corner carrying a gun, would you fire? Maybe i am thinking of codex in the wrong light. In my life experiences nothing is set in stone. guidelines and rules don't cover every situation. I hope this helps.

 

You are free to do what you want with the Castigators, I only meant that GW gave a new timeline that has many possiblities for the Castigators. :blush:

 

The tradition for the Battle sargent in the terminator squads, what is it?

 

:)

 

I get where you're coming from, now. Codex Astartes and Codex: Space Marines has confused me a little bit. And I'm sorry if I seemed like a dick in my last post! :) Whilst you might not consider yourself 'knowledgeable', I think you've done great things in asking questions and provoking thought. So don't be too hard on yourself! :)

 

As for the Codex, everyone has their own interpretation. I think people tend to have a somewhat negative view of the Codex because they think Guilliman was responsible for hampering the Legions. Just as the Ultramarines get hate, so does the Codex. This is a really important thread - check it out (especially my reply down near the bottom.)

 

Master Jeridian makes a good point when he says this:

 

Think of the Codex Astartes as the Wikipedia of the Space Marine Chapters. A vast text proclaimed to be a font of knowledge, that's actually full of contradicting and inaccurate opinions and notes.

 

I don't think that the Codex is necessarily restrictive. Guilliman's text was designed to be comprehensive, to aid the Space Marines. And certain Chapters do see the Codex as a guide, whilst others see it more as a sacred text. It was always said that the Black Consuls were fanatical about the Codex, and that's one of the reasons I chose them as the parent Chapter of the Castigators. The idea was that their ferocious zeal had been... transferred sideways, into their zeal for genetic purity over doctrinal purity.

 

As for the Terminators, the idea was that the four Terminator Sergeants are allowed to take the title 'Battle-Sergeant'. I don't know where it came from, but it sounds cool. ;)

 

I'd like to start a complete overhaul of the Third Company's personal timeline, which will include some notable campaigns and events that the 'Lightbringers' have been involved in. In addition I will be creating a timeline of Captain Sirius, starting with his life on Loscano and moving further on into the time of being selected to lead the Third Company in the fires of combat, to finally the most recent battles he has lead the famed third in.

 

Sounds good to me - get started and we can discuss it. :)

 

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Cpt Tiberius says:

I still need to come up with something for Malus

Molotov says:

You said before that Malus was quite heavily bionic?

Cpt Tiberius says:

yes, from his days as a devastator marine, had a malfunction with his plasma cannon (hit by enemy fire) and it exploded wounding him severly, but not enough for transplant to dreadnought. him right arm, leg, and side of his face are heavily scarred and augmented

Molotov says:

Nice. Interesting, also, in a Chapter that prizes the purity of flesh. it's somewhat like the opposite of an Iron Hand - a Marine that detests his own augmentations

Cpt Tiberius says:

yes he has a "tense relation" with some of the more fanatical captains. he is torn by his distaste of his ruined body and his service to the chapter. he hates what he is, but knows he has to be what he is to keep serving the emperor. he is conflicted and dour.

Molotov says:

Very grimdark

Molotov says:

I approve!

Cpt Tiberius says:

grouchy old man, like me

Molotov says:

Perhaps a little callous...? The sheer destructive potential of the devastators appeals to him

Cpt Tiberius says:

yes, he is a respected leader, but not neccesarily "Adored" by his troops, a bit of a task master always pushing them to be better

Molotov says:

I like him, though. He certainly seems interesting. The Castigators are such a cheery bunch

Cpt Tiberius says:

lol

Cpt Tiberius says:

well he secretly collects teapots...?

[Commissar Molotov]

Two interesting quotes from the new Codex:

 

In addition to his Chapter rank, each Captain also bears one or more honorific titles associated with the command of a particular company or responsibility. Some, such as Master of the Watch and Master of the Recruits, are common titles in use across almost all Space Marines Chapters. Other titles are products of Chapter history and creed.

 

Although the Codex describes a number of ranks and responsibilities within the headquarters staff, only a very few of these officers actually accompany the Chapter to war. Many are non-combatants of advanced years whose roles are to find and train recruits or administrate the Chapter, other titles are borne by the Chapter's Captains. Some ranks described by the Codex include the Chapter's Ancient, the Chapter Master's Secretarius, the Lord of the Household, the Chapter's Armourer, the Master of the Fleet, Victuallers, the Master of the Arsenal, Master of Recruits and Master of the Watch.

 

And then there's this quote from the Apocalypse rulebook:

 

The title of a Space Marine Master varies according to duty and from Chapter to Chapter. Only the strictest of Codex Chapters use the sanctioned titles - others use ranks and honours drawn from an honoured history spanning thousands of years. The Blood Angels fleet commander, for example, is entitled 'Lord of the Angelic Host' whilst the Space Wolves commander responsible for recruits is known as 'Father of the Unblooded'. Despite the variation in nomenclature, there is little divergence in responsibility - it is one of the doctrines in the Codex Astartes that has been adopted by all.

 

It's interesting that Captain Sicarius is Master of the Watch (as Second Company Captain) but also Knight Champion of Macragge, Grand Duke of Talassar and High Suzerain of Ultramar. Eventually I'd like to incorporate some more titles into the Captains of the Castigators.

 

But I'm curious: What are the responsibilities of the 'Chapter Master's Secretarius'? the 'Lord of the Household'? or the 'Armourer'? Wouldn't the Armourer be a Techmarine? I'm certainly interested in the structure of the Master's Household - the closest thing we have to a guide would be the Ultramarines overview in the Third Edition Codex. Still, input and thoughts would be welcome here.

 

I've also been working a little on the Howling Stars. I imagine it to be an area of a dozen systems or so - a sub-sector in size. The area was once the domain of the Ryssith, but Baraquiel's efforts pushed them out. The warp currents across the Howling Stars are occasionally prone to periods of great turbulence. Warp storms strike without warning and rage unabated, causing vessels to be spat out of the warp at random or to endure violent journeys. I imagine that the systems of the Stars have been settled since the Ryssith were ejected. I also wanted there to be a Forgeworld within the Stars - preliminary discussion has led to this Forgeworld being entitled 'Goliath' or some variant thereof, because I like the idea of a 'Goliath-Pattern Rhino' or the like. The Castigators don't constrain their operations to the Howling Stars, and have travelled across the Ultima Segmentum on occasions in their history.

 

I did imagine that the troublesome warp conditions and the somewhat vulnerable nature of the systems across the Howling Stars might make them tempting targets for Dark Eldar pirates, which could prove interesting.

[Heru]

But I'm curious: What are the responsibilities of the 'Chapter Master's Secretarius'? the 'Lord of the Household'? or the 'Armourer'? Wouldn't the Armourer be a Techmarine? I'm certainly interested in the structure of the Master's Household - the closest thing we have to a guide would be the Ultramarines overview in the Third Edition Codex. Still, input and thoughts would be welcome here.

The Secretarius would just like a Secretary (administrative assistant) or a Secretary of State (responsible for foreign policy).

 

The Lord of the Household on the other hand would most likely be responsible for the Chapter's Serfs and the like - much like the Master of the Household in the UK Royal Household.

 

Now the Armourer would likely be in direct charge of the Chapters Artificiers (which notably probably aren't Techmarines because they focus solely on crafting / repairing weapons and armour) and arming Servitors (see Flight of the Eisenstein for the latter).

[Commissar Molotov]

The Secretarius would just like a Secretary (administrative assistant) or a Secretary of State (responsible for foreign policy).

 

The Lord of the Household on the other hand would most likely be responsible for the Chapter's Serfs and the like - much like the Master of the Household in the UK Royal Household.

 

Now the Armourer would likely be in direct charge of the Chapters Artificiers (which notably probably aren't Techmarines because they focus solely on crafting / repairing weapons and armour) and arming Servitors (see Flight of the Eisenstein for the latter).

 

Have the grace to put a "In my opinion..." at the start of your post! :)

 

Still, you raise many pertinent points and ideas.

 

Secretarius: Although we might perhaps a perjorative view of a 'Secretary', it's perhaps true that the Chapter Master might have an administrative assistant of some kind. What would their role be, though? The Chief Victualler would presumably be in charge of supplies and the like. I do think of Jurgen from the Ciaphas Cain series - how he's responsible for filtering Cain's correspondence to ensure his time is spent efficiently. Hrm.

 

Lord of the Household: Very good idea. A liason between the serfs and the Space Marines would work. I'd have to look at the Royal Family's Master of the Household to find some inspiration. Still, that's good. I was thinking about the Serfs, actually, that there would be a number of different castes, almost - with a fierce rivalry between them, and ancient and bewildering traditions that might bemuse the Marines. Having a Marine that can liase with them is good - after all, psykers would have to be rooted out of the serf populations, too. (I imagine that there would be both male and female serfs, a breeding population. They would live on the Sanctuary, but the Space Marines wouldn't recruit from them. Depending on peoples' opinions, I might make it so that the Castigators take exceptional recruits from the Serfs, it would be a great honour, and they might be seen differently among the Chapter. That could be interesting.)

 

Armourer: Whilst I was aware that the artificers wouldn't be Techmarines, it's interesting to suggest that it would be a Marine in charge of the Artificers. I'd have thought he would be a Techmarine working for the Master of the Forge, though. My other thought was that he was a Marine responsible for the Chapter Master's weaponry and wargear - responsible for armouring the Master. I was unsure, though.

[Heru]

Have the grace to put a "In my opinion..." at the start of your post! :)

The same to you Molotov.

they're arguably the best DIY in the Liber (if not the 40k community)

I am already annoyed with Mat Ward over his blatant "Ultramarines are the greatest ever!", I don't want to also be annoyed with you. ;)

 

 

Secretarius: Although we might perhaps a perjorative view of a 'Secretary', it's perhaps true that the Chapter Master might have an administrative assistant of some kind. What would their role be, though? The Chief Victualler would presumably be in charge of supplies and the like. I do think of Jurgen from the Ciaphas Cain series - how he's responsible for filtering Cain's correspondence to ensure his time is spent efficiently. Hrm.

Virtually every position of authority within an organization has some form of administrative assistant, it's not hard to think that the same could be said of the Astartes.

 

 

Lord of the Household: Very good idea. A liason between the serfs and the Space Marines would work. I'd have to look at the Royal Family's Master of the Household to find some inspiration. Still, that's good. I was thinking about the Serfs, actually, that there would be a number of different castes, almost - with a fierce rivalry between them, and ancient and bewildering traditions that might bemuse the Marines. Having a Marine that can liase with them is good - after all, psykers would have to be rooted out of the serf populations, too. (I imagine that there would be both male and female serfs, a breeding population. They would live on the Sanctuary, but the Space Marines wouldn't recruit from them. Depending on peoples' opinions, I might make it so that the Castigators take exceptional recruits from the Serfs, it would be a great honour, and they might be seen differently among the Chapter. That could be interesting.)

Depending on the Chapter it's not hard to believe that maybe in some Chapters the position of Lord of the Household would taken up a regular Human from the ranks of the Chapter Serfs.

[Ferrus Manus]

Depending on the Chapter it's not hard to believe that maybe in some Chapters the position of Lord of the Household would taken up a regular Human from the ranks of the Chapter Serfs.

But, in my opinion ;) this wouldn't work with the Castigators or any other marine chapter. The serfs are the chapter's, one could almost say, slaves - akin to the state of the serfs in Tsarist Russia. The astartes would want to remind the serfs that they are in charge and hold power over them. One such way of doing this could be to have the Lord of the Household as an astartes, as a physical reminder.