GenerationTerrorist Posted January 27, 2023 Share Posted January 27, 2023 My eyes hurt. Think I might pick up one of the Dreads, but the Desolators are ridiculous. Iron Father Ferrum, Bryan Blaire and Toxichobbit 3 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blindhamster Posted January 27, 2023 Share Posted January 27, 2023 Like others, I’m wondering how they’d look without the huge missile pods on the top. Might look like a passable unit then… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khornestar Posted January 27, 2023 Share Posted January 27, 2023 I think the weapon profile would look better without the tube lids attached for the “open” configuration, as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lansalt Posted January 27, 2023 Share Posted January 27, 2023 The missile boxes with their doors closed could look decent, but the nonsensical belt feed rocket pod is unsalvageable, IMO. They look like space marine Flash Gitz. gideon stargreave, mel_danes, Toxichobbit and 4 others 6 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minsc Posted January 27, 2023 Share Posted January 27, 2023 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Khornestar said: Tracked this down to remind us of the rumored stats for desolators: If those rumours(?) are true, then not only are they unimpressive modelwise, but even ruleswise. Tactical - 18 pts Devastator /w ML - 23 pts Intercessor - 18 pts Desolator - 35 pts Desolators (and Hellblasters) should be around 25 pts tops. They are basically Intercessors with a Primaris Missile Launcher/Primaris Plasma Cannon. A Devastator pays 5 points for the privilege of getting a better weapon, while Hellblasters/Desolators pay 12/17 for the same privilege. 30/35 pts for Hellblasters/Desolators would only make somewhat sense if they had Gravis armour. Ah well, models look pretty dumb, so I can't say I'll get too bothered if they end up with lacklustre rules... Edited January 27, 2023 by Minsc Aarik, Karhedron and Khornestar 3 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khornestar Posted January 27, 2023 Share Posted January 27, 2023 (edited) The rumored rules are not complete, but I can’t help but feel the points cannot be relied on to be accurate. Even if that number was right at some point in testing or is accurate at release, they can hopefully be adjusted to make sense. They are generally not good at getting points right for Astartes of any stripe , so… we’ll see. Edited January 27, 2023 by Khornestar Triszin 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jukkiz Posted January 27, 2023 Share Posted January 27, 2023 looking through the thread and primaris overall. I think GW just likes making basic frame where they just glue guns until done. Desolators are prime example, with just frame that you add gun ontop, kinda like combi-weapons but sillier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triszin Posted January 27, 2023 Author Share Posted January 27, 2023 Sounds like they all have the indirect fire missile system. (Castellan launcher) So massed I direct fire is pretty good. But we also don't know any specific unit rules Khornestar 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Reinhard Posted January 27, 2023 Share Posted January 27, 2023 Home now. Had a look on a proper screen. Bit mixed on the desolators. I kinda like the sergeant's gun, its a like swiss army knife of silly. Not sure of the squaddies weapons. They don't nearly have same appeal, either version. Liking the dread. Gonna have to blingee him up though. Castellan is really nice. Bits galore, good pose and the additional weapon options..., means both that I could go back and look through my horde of existing castellans and put in a fist here and there if so inclined... Aaaand wasn't there this upcoming book character with the fist and pistol armament? Gonna have to get both I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lexington Posted January 27, 2023 Share Posted January 27, 2023 That Lieutenant’s real nice, love the pose with the PFist and Plasma Pistol. Really curious to see how some of the better 3D “notMarine” modelers out there handle making their own Desolators, because damn near anything they do will be better conceived of than the official models. Warhead01, Slave to Darkness, Toxichobbit and 1 other 4 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malakithe Posted January 27, 2023 Share Posted January 27, 2023 The sad part is it took someone months to design them and no one apparently checked in on the guy and told him to stop Khornestar, Warden-Paints, Captain Idaho and 13 others 6 9 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lansalt Posted January 27, 2023 Share Posted January 27, 2023 6 minutes ago, Malakithe said: The sad part is it took someone months to design them and no one apparently checked in on the guy and told him to stop If we assume those were designed by Jes Goodwin himself, how does anyone tells him to stop? Sounds like a George Lucas situation to me. Sarges, Bryan Blaire and phandaal 2 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Marshal Posted January 27, 2023 Share Posted January 27, 2023 Cawl explains his latest invention. (M42 colourised) System Sound, Captain Idaho, KaosRaptor and 12 others 15 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TempestBlade Posted January 27, 2023 Share Posted January 27, 2023 Let’s not all forget that the Leviathan close combat dread is in plastic and about the same size. Throw some stubbers on him and call it a day! (That’s my plan anyways) Emperor Ming, Aarik, Karhedron and 1 other 4 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhead01 Posted January 27, 2023 Share Posted January 27, 2023 31 minutes ago, Lexington said: That Lieutenant’s real nice, love the pose with the PFist and Plasma Pistol. Really curious to see how some of the better 3D “notMarine” modelers out there handle making their own Desolators, because damn near anything they do will be better conceived of than the official models. Just don't think about it! I don't really know what I expected these do seem a bit low effort even for Primaris but they are also just a bit Todd McFarlane, if the weapons had been just a bit bigger and maybe more convoluted. In a n old early 90's comics workshop video he did he said just make all the guns huge and the kids will love it. GW might do well to make all the guns bigger. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inquisitor_Lensoven Posted January 27, 2023 Share Posted January 27, 2023 Absolutely hate the way these new models look. what are those ammo belts feeding to? The rocket launchers? The grenade launchers? Nothing about these models makes any sense. Slave to Darkness, Bryan Blaire, Toxichobbit and 4 others 7 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FarFromSam Posted January 27, 2023 Share Posted January 27, 2023 God, those devastators are ugly. Real ugly. Bryan Blaire, Emperor Ming, Toxichobbit and 2 others 5 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shinespider Posted January 27, 2023 Share Posted January 27, 2023 I think the biggest issue with the Desolators is how lazy they feel. I mean, look at the Eliminators. GW didn't just slap sniper rifles on intercessors, they actually put a lot of work into designing "Space Marine Snipers" as a concept - and the result is great. The Desolators are just Intercessors who have been handed a gigantic new weapon system and tossed onto the battlefield. If they insist on having two guns on each guy, I'd have shifted one of them to the backpack, probably the indirect fire one. A mortar doesn't need to be pointed forward anyway, so you might as well mount it on the back - preferably poking over the left shoulder, to balance the big weapon in the right hand. That would get rid of the ridiculous ammo belt, and allow the direct missile launcher to be smaller and more sensible. Aarik, Toxichobbit, Warhead01 and 5 others 6 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Nord in Gravis Armour Posted January 27, 2023 Share Posted January 27, 2023 Wow, I'm seeing a much higher salt percentage than I was expecting. Ever since Valrak shared the wargear options and stats a while back and we saw the Desolator silhouette New Year's tease, these models have pretty much been exactly what I expected. Some folks think the Desolators should be in Gravis, but they're longer-ranged units than the Hellblasters, whose weapons will actually blow up on them once in a while. If THEY can run around in Tacticus, I think Desolators can just be happy they're not wearing Phobos. "Yet another Tacticus LT" but as someone mentioned a while back, this model will be able to replace several of the existing (and in many cases OOP) Lieutenant models. And it hopefully points toward a similar multi-option Captain model in the future. Given what I was expecting, my only real complaint here is why are the Desolators' Bolt Pistol bits all apparently set up for right-handed draw or cross-draw when their right hands are full and they don't have any melee weapons to otherwise occupy their left hands? They should be set up for left-handed draw just like the Hellblasters (and the one model we see with a wielded Bolt Pistol is indeed holding it in his left hand). Arbedark 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triszin Posted January 27, 2023 Author Share Posted January 27, 2023 (edited) I'll be doing something similar to this As the missile pods are detachable apparently I'll do a better mock up tonight. This mock up was done by a Reddit user Edited January 27, 2023 by Triszin skylerboodie, Oxydo, Lord Abaia and 7 others 9 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Idaho Posted January 27, 2023 Share Posted January 27, 2023 I'm fairly amused by the aiming a bolt pistol pose on the Sergeant when he has a loaded weapon in his other hand... Blindhamster and Khornestar 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gideon stargreave Posted January 27, 2023 Share Posted January 27, 2023 Those Desolator models are so terrible I don't know what to say. The design language of the weapons is not the space marine (primaris or otherwise) one Robbienw, Bryan Blaire, mel_danes and 5 others 8 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lansalt Posted January 27, 2023 Share Posted January 27, 2023 @Triszin Unfortunately that doesn't solve the main design issue of the weapon: The belt chute is just incompatible with the rocket pod with visible tips. If at least it was like the conic Space Crusade/aviation-style launcher, we could imagine an inner loading mechanism. But right now it's like a revolver with a box magazine in the grip. Bryan Blaire, painting.for.my.sanity and Urauloth 2 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karhedron Posted January 27, 2023 Share Posted January 27, 2023 10 minutes ago, Triszin said: This mock up was done by a Reddit user That does look better I think. Spyros 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord La sadies Posted January 27, 2023 Share Posted January 27, 2023 In regards to the Desolator Space Marines guns, I must say that I am really disappointed. I personally feel that it is overdone and lacks a certain level of sophistication. In my opinion, it comes across as childish and detracts from the overall aesthetic of the weapon On the other hand, I am thrilled with the new Drednugth models. I believe they will be a fantastic addition to my Blood Angels army. I can't wait to get my hands on them and incorporate them into my collection. Toxichobbit 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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