The Castigators

[Marshal Rohr]

Well some progression was made before finals. How Godslayer got his name is kind of humorous.

[Tyrannicide]

Well some progression was made before finals. How Godslayer got his name is kind of humorous.

Don't leave me hanging! How'd he receive his name? :teehee:

[Commissar Molotov]

I have to echo Darth Potato - if you're going to post, make it useful; if you've seen what's happened to the Knights Griffon thread you'll understand my desire to keep this thread going.

[Marshal Rohr]

812.M41: Dreadnaught Fortis is renamed Godslayer. This comes after the Third sends a suppression detachment to purge a world of a Xenos race known as the XXXXXX. The XXXXXX where a space faring race united in the service of their god, XXXXXX. The deity, who was a more than capable commander, personally led the resistance. The XXXXXX God was able to tie up the Lightbringers through an intense guerilla campaign that was causing higher than projected casualties. Through the efforts of a scout squad of the tenth under the famed Sergeant XXXXXX, a decisive strike was to be planned, one that would effectively cripple the resistance and allow for the Xenocide to commence at full pace and at its head would be Dreadnaught Fortis.

The attack was devastating, XXXXXX casualties were enormous. At the climax of the battle Dreadnaught Fortis met the god of the XXXXXX, clad in his battle suit, in personal combat. Ancient steel met Xenos tech in a titanic clash. The battle was intense and Dreadnaught Fortis was immobilized when the God use his repulsor tech to cripple Fotris’ leg joint. Bellowing the warcry of the chapter Fortis turned his Multi-Melta on the Xenos fiend and with the Emperor’s divine guidance Fortis was able to hit the power planet that energized the booster on the Xenos god’s suit causing a massive reactor overload incinerating him in a miniature thermo-nuclear explosion. The XXXXXX were devastated beyond all recovery. News of the god’s imminent demise was spread through Imperial Propaganda blimps and voxbots and the Castigators were able to cull the population that had not committed suicide within a fortnight. In honor of the Dreadnaught’s deed the Techpriests of the Chapter renamed the Elder while he was slumbering, a change he found disconcerting when he was next awoken.

[brother varen]

marshal2, like the way you are going with your characters.

 

Mol, haven't had time lately to work on them. Long hours at work. Will try to post something soon.

[Commissar Molotov]

812.M41: Dreadnaught Fortis is renamed Godslayer. This comes after the Third sends a suppression detachment to purge a world of a Xenos race known as the XXXXXX. The XXXXXX where a space faring race united in the service of their god, XXXXXX. The deity, who was a more than capable commander, personally led the resistance. The XXXXXX God was able to tie up the Lightbringers through an intense guerilla campaign that was causing higher than projected casualties. Through the efforts of a scout squad of the tenth under the famed Sergeant XXXXXX, a decisive strike was to be planned, one that would effectively cripple the resistance and allow for the Xenocide to commence at full pace and at its head would be Dreadnaught Fortis.

The attack was devastating, XXXXXX casualties were enormous. At the climax of the battle Dreadnaught Fortis met the god of the XXXXXX, clad in his battle suit, in personal combat. Ancient steel met Xenos tech in a titanic clash. The battle was intense and Dreadnaught Fortis was immobilized when the God use his repulsor tech to cripple Fotris’ leg joint. Bellowing the warcry of the chapter Fortis turned his Multi-Melta on the Xenos fiend and with the Emperor’s divine guidance Fortis was able to hit the power planet that energized the booster on the Xenos god’s suit causing a massive reactor overload incinerating him in a miniature thermo-nuclear explosion. The XXXXXX were devastated beyond all recovery. News of the god’s imminent demise was spread through Imperial Propaganda blimps and voxbots and the Castigators were able to cull the population that had not committed suicide within a fortnight. In honor of the Dreadnaught’s deed the Techpriests of the Chapter renamed the Elder while he was slumbering, a change he found disconcerting when he was next awoken.

 

And here I thought when you said it was "funny" that this false God would end up being crushed by a falling Drop Pod!

 

The thing to mention is that you can go two ways with this - either naming the sarcophagus 'Godslayer', or giving Honoured Patronus the nickname 'Godslayer'. Either way, it's good to see extra detail being applied to your force. :tu:

[Tyrannicide]

Personally I think it would be a better decision to simply name the Dreadnought sarcophagus 'Godslayer', but if not I'm not too opposed towards the other choice.

[Commissar Molotov]

That's definitely the tack I'd prefer. So that if Patronus died and a new occupant took the Sarcophagus, it would still be 'Godslayer'. It emphasises the idea that Space Marines venerate their wargear.

[Tyrannicide]

Yes, that's certainly true. It would add that much more to the Castigators long-standing traditions.

[Nash Trickster]

A bit of info you may find interesting, if only to know against whom the Castigators may hold a grudge for their parent chapter's demise: in Anthony Reynolds' Dark Disciple, there is an interesting bit of info bringing new light to what happened to the Black Consuls.

 

[...] Dark Apostle Ekodas, the craggy-faced holy leader of the 7th Company Host, who had led a holy crusade of retribution upon the Black Consuls, almost wiping the Cursed Chapter, a successor of the hated Ultramarines, from the galaxy; [...]

However, even if I doubt the Black Consuls can have been wiped out twice, there is, as you can see, no indication that it was the same event mentionned in Codex Space Marine.

There is therefore 3 possibilities:

• this event and the Siege of Hive Goddeth are one and the same;
  
• the BC were first "almost wiped out" by the 7th Host of the Word Bearers in some unnamed event and then faced another at foe who "finished the job" against the weakened BC at Hive Goddeth.
  
• the BC/WB fight can also have taken place a long time ago (which is a possibility since the next line in the book talks about another Dark Apostle who killed a Blood Angel Chaplain during the Siege of Terra) and millenia later where again brought down by another (or even the same) enemy...
  

I'd tend to go for the first option, simply because being almost wiped out twice seems a bit too farfetched IMHO.

 

Also the use of the word "retribution" is interesting IMHO, it can mean 2 things:

• either the BC stroke a blow to the WB which then called for retribution,
  
• or the WB organize(d) "retribution crusades" against random successors of the Ultramarines in revenge for their failure at Calth...
  

The first option isn't the most interesting IMO. The second one however would probably mean that the WB would see any opportunity to deal a blow against Ultramarines' successors as "too good to pass" and thus would have to be considered if you intend to have the WB play a part in any event concerning the Castigators.

[Hasoroth]

Personally I'd have the Sarcophagus have its own specific name, with Fortis' owning the title of Godslayer. IMHO a Dreadnought chassis is a mount, and the sarcophagus its rider, both would be honored and both would have long venerable histories. I'm slightly biased though, writing a short story about Dreadnoughts using a naming system with first name being the interred Marine and last name being the chassis "Trian Ironbane" for example.

[Commissar Molotov]

A bit of info you may find interesting, if only to know against whom the Castigators may hold a grudge for their parent chapter's demise: in Anthony Reynolds' Dark Disciple, there is an interesting bit of info bringing new light to what happened to the Black Consuls.

 

[...] Dark Apostle Ekodas, the craggy-faced holy leader of the 7th Company Host, who had led a holy crusade of retribution upon the Black Consuls, almost wiping the Cursed Chapter, a successor of the hated Ultramarines, from the galaxy; [...]

However, even if I doubt the Black Consuls can have been wiped out twice, there is, as you can see, no indication that it was the same event mentionned in Codex Space Marine.

There is therefore 3 possibilities:

• this event and the Siege of Hive Goddeth are one and the same;
  
• the BC were first "almost wiped out" by the 7th Host of the Word Bearers in some unnamed event and then faced another at foe who "finished the job" against the weakened BC at Hive Goddeth.
  
• the BC/WB fight can also have taken place a long time ago (which is a possibility since the next line in the book talks about another Dark Apostle who killed a Blood Angel Chaplain during the Siege of Terra) and millenia later where again brought down by another (or even the same) enemy...
  

I'd tend to go for the first option, simply because being almost wiped out twice seems a bit too farfetched IMHO.

 

Also the use of the word "retribution" is interesting IMHO, it can mean 2 things:

• either the BC stroke a blow to the WB which then called for retribution,
  
• or the WB organize(d) "retribution crusades" against random successors of the Ultramarines in revenge for their failure at Calth...
  

The first option isn't the most interesting IMO. The second one however would probably mean that the WB would see any opportunity to deal a blow against Ultramarines' successors as "too good to pass" and thus would have to be considered if you intend to have the WB play a part in any event concerning the Castigators.

 

I can always rely on you to provide me with thought-provoking info, Nash! Thanks for the post. It's funnily coincidental that the Castigators have clashed with the Word Bearers on a number of times - there's a lot of bad blood there, and if the Black Consuls fell before the Word Bearers that would only inspire the Castigators further!

 

Thanks again for the post, it's definitely given me a lot to think about. I agree they likely would hold a grudge against the Sons of Guilliman for their failure at Calth.

[ToyShip]

A bit of info you may find interesting, if only to know against whom the Castigators may hold a grudge for their parent chapter's demise: in Anthony Reynolds' Dark Disciple, there is an interesting bit of info bringing new light to what happened to the Black Consuls.

 

 

QUOTE (Dark Disciple p404)

[...] Dark Apostle Ekodas, the craggy-faced holy leader of the 7th Company Host, who had led a holy crusade of retribution upon the Black Consuls, almost wiping the Cursed Chapter, a successor of the hated Ultramarines, from the galaxy; [...]

 

However, even if I doubt the Black Consuls can have been wiped out twice, there is, as you can see, no indication that it was the same event mentionned in Codex Space Marine.

There is therefore 3 possibilities:

this event and the Siege of Hive Goddeth are one and the same;

the BC were first "almost wiped out" by the 7th Host of the Word Bearers in some unnamed event and then faced another at foe who "finished the job" against the weakened BC at Hive Goddeth.

the BC/WB fight can also have taken place a long time ago (which is a possibility since the next line in the book talks about another Dark Apostle who killed a Blood Angel Chaplain during the Siege of Terra) and millenia later where again brought down by another (or even the same) enemy...

I'd tend to go for the first option, simply because being almost wiped out twice seems a bit too farfetched IMHO.

 

Also the use of the word "retribution" is interesting IMHO, it can mean 2 things:

either the BC stroke a blow to the WB which then called for retribution,

or the WB organize(d) "retribution crusades" against random successors of the Ultramarines in revenge for their failure at Calth...

The first option isn't the most interesting IMO. The second one however would probably mean that the WB would see any opportunity to deal a blow against Ultramarines' successors as "too good to pass" and thus would have to be considered if you intend to have the WB play a part in any event concerning the Castigators.

 

This is excellent! I agree that the first option, the one where this instance and Hive Goddeth are the same thing, and think that this could bring out some interesting possibilities for our favorite Black Consul's succesor :) .

 

Perhaps, somehow the Castigators learned of the Black Consul's demise and the Word Bearers that perpertrated such a dastardly deed, and Quintillus (the Chapter Master?) declares a crusade or something, gathering as much of the chapter to him as possible to hunt this Dark Apostle that lead them.

 

Or conversely, perhaps he would bestow the honor of hunting this individual to one of the Captains, sort of like the Castigator's version of Kosarro Khan. Personaly, I like this idea, but then again, that doesnt mean much. I just think it would be interesting for them to hunt said Apostle to redeem thier parents' honor. Perhaps Lucien could be given this duty, since it doesnt seem like he has too much background material, could work well gamewise too, as he could be a Khan counts-as, minus Moondrakkan of course.

 

Then again, Lucien is captain of a reserve company, so would such an honor be bestowed on him, seeing as he isn'st really a Line captain? Or is he? I have always been confused as to the duties of reserve captains, would they still lead Marines in battle or would they just be stuck giving their squads to the Battle companies to re-inforce them?

 

Anyway, theres some thoughts, like I say, I'd like to see some more on Lucien.

 

Toyship

[Commissar Molotov]

This is excellent! I agree that the first option, the one where this instance and Hive Goddeth are the same thing, and think that this could bring out some interesting possibilities for our favorite Black Consul's succesor :) .

 

Perhaps, somehow the Castigators learned of the Black Consul's demise and the Word Bearers that perpertrated such a dastardly deed, and Quintillus (the Chapter Master?) declares a crusade or something, gathering as much of the chapter to him as possible to hunt this Dark Apostle that lead them.

 

Or conversely, perhaps he would bestow the honor of hunting this individual to one of the Captains, sort of like the Castigator's version of Kosarro Khan. Personaly, I like this idea, but then again, that doesnt mean much. I just think it would be interesting for them to hunt said Apostle to redeem thier parents' honor. Perhaps Lucien could be given this duty, since it doesnt seem like he has too much background material, could work well gamewise too, as he could be a Khan counts-as, minus Moondrakkan of course.

 

Then again, Lucien is captain of a reserve company, so would such an honor be bestowed on him, seeing as he isn'st really a Line captain? Or is he? I have always been confused as to the duties of reserve captains, would they still lead Marines in battle or would they just be stuck giving their squads to the Battle companies to re-inforce them?

 

Anyway, theres some thoughts, like I say, I'd like to see some more on Lucien.

 

Toyship

 

It's useful, certainly, but I don't want to go all out when GW might re-write the canon regarding the Black Consuls and force me to re-write my stuff. That's why I haven't made a bigger deal regarding the Black Consuls.

 

Lucien will get detailed eventually. As a reserve company Captain he would see battle, yes. I'll get around to detailing Lucien and Ramus soon.

[brother varen]

If i am correct don't the Ultramarines a battle brother Severus intombed in a dreadnought called Ironclaw from the Battle of Macragge? Personally, i like hasoroth's idea of naming the dreadnouhgts by using the first name of the intombed marine and then the dreadnought's chassis name.

[Commissar Molotov]

Well, the Castigators have been quiet for a while - a bit worrying, really! I've updated my blog with two Christmas cards I received this year - you might be wondering what that has to do with the Castigators; click here to find out!

 

I've also been thinking recently about the layout of the Howling Stars, despite my earlier proclamations that I'd never map it out. This map of the Maelstrom by belloflostsouls has inspired me! So I've been giving that some work.

 

In the meantime I've been caught up in Janu-WAAAGH-ry; you can follow my progress here. I'm waiting on news from Pulse and then my Castigators will follow soon after!

 

Hope everyone's well and enjoying 009.M3 - I hope to hear from you soon about your Castigators. ;)

[Ferrus Manus]

Well, I haven't posted in hear for a while. Apologies for that. I've got a few more ideas on the Eighth, in fact I had a sketch of their banner I wanted to show you, but I only have some really bad pics of it. I'll get some better ones up asap.

 

Very nice Christmas cards, I like the Santa one ;).

 

Oh, almost forgot. I had an Apoc battle the other week at a friends. I used my Castigators list, found here in my blog. . We won, taking 3 objectives compared to the opponents 2. The scouts did not so well so I may swap them for some Tacticals from a reserve company of something. As for the Assault marines they did pretty well, even managing to hold an objective as Tigris smote a Hive Tyrant.

 

Well, there's my very late, and small update.

[Commissar Molotov]

Good to hear from you - more details on the Apocalypse game would be appreciated! Who did you fight alongside/against?

 

Looking forward to news of their banner, too.

[Ferrus Manus]

Sure. This is a very brief overview, and as much as I remember as the battle was before Christmas.

 

9000pts a side, with 3 players a team. The back story was that an Imperial world had been invaded by the Tyranids and a force of Imperial Guard, Astartes (The Castigators) and the Sisters of Battle came to the planets rescue.

 

There were five objectives: A water plant, a tomb of a dead saint, a depot, one of those Tyranid structures and an Imperial Governor.

 

A Warhound Titan and 2 Baneblades were used by the Imperials, whilst the Tyranids had a Hierophant Bio Titan and used one Endless Swarm Formation.

 

The Tyranids took hold of 4 objectives fairly quickly while the Sisters of Battle held off the swarm from the depot. However, the combined power of 2 Baneblades and a Titan cleared the Tomb and left it open for the Guard.

 

This was about turn 3, and then my Astartes came into play. They were late in due to fluff. The scouts used Outflank to try and fight there was through a bunch of Warriors toward another objective. Unfortunately the Warriors took 20 Scouts down for just a loss of 2 Warriors, and the combat lasted most of the game.

 

The Terminators and the Assault marines arrived via Deep Strike close to the Tyranid structure. The combat raged around the structure with the astartes taking it and losing it. However, once Tigris cut down the Tyranid Hive Tyrant, for a trade of 2 wounds, the rest of the brood were dispatched in quick order. Then using his tactical thinking Tigris sent half of his marines ahead to halt the Endless Swarm so that the game ended with a close Victory for the Imperials.

[Commissar Molotov]

Well, it's good to hear the Castigators acquitted themselves well! Do you have any further details - do you remember which order the Sisters were from, or what regiment the Guard were? I'll likely use this battle for some fluff in the Chapter timeline.

[sgtNACHO]

Hello Mol and company.

 

You have quite a nice thred going on here Mol

I wish I had a thread this big! Your so cool B)

 

Anyway...

 

Is there anything I could help you with? I would really like to help you come up with some fluff, or something!

 

I just think that the B&C should make the Castigators the chapter of the B&C! Also we should show them to GW and make them a full-fledged GW chapter.

 

Thats just my thoughts on your awesome chapter!

 

But yeah, if you have anything I could do to help, I would really love too!

[Ferrus Manus]

Well, it's good to hear the Castigators acquitted themselves well! Do you have any further details - do you remember which order the Sisters were from, or what regiment the Guard were? I'll likely use this battle for some fluff in the Chapter timeline.

 

The Sisters were members of the Order of the Iron Rose and the Guard regiment was the 1st Mavorick.

[Commissar Molotov]

Hello Mol and company.

 

You have quite a nice thred going on here Mol

I wish I had a thread this big! Your so cool ^_^

 

Anyway...

 

Is there anything I could help you with? I would really like to help you come up with some fluff, or something!

 

I just think that the B&C should make the Castigators the chapter of the B&C! Also we should show them to GW and make them a full-fledged GW chapter.

 

Thats just my thoughts on your awesome chapter!

 

But yeah, if you have anything I could do to help, I would really love too!

 

:P

 

Well, thanks - it's always nice to know that people still like the Castigators (especially because things have been quiet recently.) No Chapter will ever fully enthuse everyone - or else we'd all have the same army! So I can fully understand some people don't like the Castigators, or find them boring.

 

Of course, the B+C already has an official Chapter - that's The Legio.

 

I'm certainly interested in writing more for the Castigators, though with the plans for a website falling through and many of the Castigators players and fans quietening, I've not been sure what to write about. So if there's something you find unclear or would like further details on, I can certainly try. <_<

 

At some stage I'd like to re-write IA: Castigators in order to improve it. I've also got vague plans for a campaign book, somewhat akin to the Imperial Armour volumes. At the moment it'd likely focus on the War of Woe, a conflict the Castigators undertook against the Word Bearers in 987.M41.

 

 

 

The Sisters were members of the Order of the Iron Rose and the Guard regiment was the 1st Mavorick.

 

Thanks - I'll see about putting that up in the timeline at some stage.

[brother varen]

sorry, Mol. Been trying to wrap up all lose ends to 2008. Where were we in the development? Where would you like to start? Life has got my mind alittle warped.

[Commissar Molotov]

Nice to hear from you, Varen. I've incorporated a number of your timeline suggestions into the Castigator Timeline - you should be able to find it all. Some of it I've left out until it can be sufficiently detailed.

 

I think the last thing we were talking about was the defence of Mutara. I'm looking to date it - for that we need to work out when Caphius became Captain (and that can take into account warp dilation). So I'm asking for your opinion as to how long you reckon he's been Captain.