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So as previously mentioned in my other Thread, A friend very easily convinced me to make a 1000pt 10th edition army, with the upcoming release of the Dark Angles and my Love of the Ravenwing I set out to do something incredibly dumb, Will this army function competitively? No idea, Will it function at all? Heck if know, Will it make my friends face palm Harder that Picard? Absolutely! Quick disclosure again this is an almost 90% 3d printed project using files found and purchased online, I will not be sharing files, artists or locations due to legal reasons, those artists have been personally thanked and credited on their own respective pages. Here's the Abomination of a list created in Warhammers App: Knights Errant (1000 points) Space Marines Dark Angels Incursion (1000 points) Unforgiven Task Force CHARACTERS: Chaplain on Bike (90 points) • 1x Absolvor bolt pistol 1x Crozius arcanum 1x Twin bolt rifle • Enhancement: Stubborn Tenacity Sammael (130 points) • Warlord • 1x Bolt Pistol 1x Master-crafted plasma cannon 1x The Raven Sword 1x Twin storm bolter OTHER DATASHEETS: Outrider Squad (160 points) • 1x Outrider Sergeant • 1x Astartes chainsword 1x Heavy bolt pistol 1x Twin bolt rifle • 5x Outrider • 5x Astartes chainsword 5x Heavy bolt pistol 5x Twin bolt rifle Outrider Squad (80 points) • 1x Outrider Sergeant • 1x Astartes chainsword 1x Heavy bolt pistol 1x Twin bolt rifle • 2x Outrider • 2x Astartes chainsword 2x Heavy bolt pistol 2x Twin bolt rifle Outrider Squad (80 points) • 1x Outrider Sergeant • 1x Astartes chainsword 1x Heavy bolt pistol 1x Twin bolt rifle • 2x Outrider • 2x Astartes chainsword 2x Heavy bolt pistol 2x Twin bolt rifle Ravenwing Black Knights (90 points) • 1x Ravenwing Huntmaster • 1x Black Knight combat weapon 1x Bolt pistol 1x Plasma talon • 2x Ravenwing Black Knight • 2x Black Knight combat weapon 2x Bolt pistol 2x Plasma talon Ravenwing Black Knights (90 points) • 1x Ravenwing Huntmaster • 1x Black Knight combat weapon 1x Bolt pistol 1x Plasma talon • 2x Ravenwing Black Knight • 2x Black Knight combat weapon 2x Bolt pistol 2x Plasma talon Ravenwing Black Knights (90 points) • 1x Ravenwing Huntmaster • 1x Black Knight combat weapon 1x Bolt pistol 1x Plasma talon • 2x Ravenwing Black Knight • 2x Black Knight combat weapon 2x Bolt pistol 2x Plasma talon Ravenwing Command Squad (110 points) • 1x Ravenwing Champion • 1x Bolt pistol 1x Master-crafted power weapon 1x Plasma talon • 1x Ravenwing Apothecary • 1x Black Knight combat weapon 1x Bolt pistol 1x Plasma talon • 1x Ravenwing Ancient • 1x Black Knight combat weapon 1x Bolt pistol 1x Plasma talon ALLIED UNITS: Vindicare Assassin (80 points) • 1x Exitus pistol 1x Exitus rifle 1x Vindicare combat knife Exported with App Version: v1.10.1 (38), Data Version: v336 and now for the fun stuff: The failed leg will probably be replaced with a bionic leg file if I can track one down I like and by like I of course mean Free I currently have them armed with the spears from the Custodes because of the bolters on the end and to completely sell the Roving knights look i want to convey with this little force, so there is going to be a healthy use of Black Templar parts in the mix. until next time!

I've had my mate's Blood Angels sitting at my place in various stages of paint for more than 2 decades. I've periodically gotten back into the hobby, the last time during 5th ed. It doesn't help that I keep starting new stuff and adding more minis to units. Determined to finish these guys and ship them to him now! (Bike squads are just a very small element of this army. Just what's on the painting table now)

Anyone else find it odd that the Dark angels are the only bike units out of a codex to still have the jink save? (Including eldar bikes I belive.) . It is strange to me that none of the other SM bikers get this, not even White Scars who are supposed to be equals to the Raven Wing on bikes. Oh well, would be nice to have, but I rarely advance my bikes except for the unit that I target with "Born in the Saddle".

So I love the new Custodes Jetbikes and have just built my first one last night, but being completely honest the Custodes lance really puts me off. It got me too thinking of putting a Primaris marine on top, if possible and using them as counts as white scars jetbikes. My question really is would this work well if I fill another detachment with Primaris Scars, how well people think this army would work, and how hard the conversion would be in the first place? + Edited for tags and grammar +

I had been a long-time white scars player, with a focus on bikes. However the few times I tried them in 8th, they felt clunky and overpriced. With the release of the newest codex, even with the improvement in points, the entries removed filled me with dread. Sure enough, Only the Captain and Khan on a bike is still listed outside of Legends. A quarter of my army has been sent there, and it seems likely that the remaining bikes will follow in due time. While I can't state it specifically, I feel like the release of legends killed the morale of the WS community here. While this has always been one of the slower communities, the revival in posting after the release of their new codex and supplement died upon the release of the legends pdfs. There has been only 10 posts since then, 1 of which was a recommendation to look at ravenwing. I know I haven't touched my scars, even to test a contrast paint scheme. How are people dealing with this? Are you transitioning you army away from bikes, or trying to hold out and keep playing them?

I optimised my "Turn 2 Champs"-List. I think, Hands can get more mobile and need some distraction and make Chaplains work turn 1, "everything" works turn 1. Toughness 8 Sicaran, 2+/3++ Bikes for 2 CP and two units ignoring this -1 to hit. I do not spam units, since it is always harder to take care of your unkillable sheeps without our shepherd Feirros. I personally would go turn 1 or 2 for the Calculated Fury and from turn 2 or 3 to tactical. Hear me out, buffing infantry/bikes with psysteel armor or chaplains is a bit seldomly used. I really favor +1 to hit instead +1 to wound with Chaplain. In tactical doctrine I would have pseudo heavy bolters. Heavy Bolters often were good working weapons. Be it aginst e.g. quantom shields or the mirror match against hands. "Mercy is Weakness" is so good on so many targets. So my question is, why dont we think about going down to tactical doctrine at some point? I do not want to be outplayed by other factions, how do you stay mobile to play the mission? Here is my list: + No Force Org Slot [13 CP] + ++ Battalion Detachment +5CP (Imperium - Space Marines) [53 PL, -4CP, 965pts] ++ **Chapter Selection**: Iron Hands Relics of the Chapter (1 Relic)[-1CP] Stratagem: Hero of the Chapter [-1CP] Stratagem: March of the Ancients [-1CP] Stratagem: Chapter Master [-2CP] + HQ [11 PL, -3CP, 247pts] + Chaplain [5 PL, -1CP, 99pts]: Canticle of Hate, Stratagem: Relics of the Chapter [-1CP]: The Ironstone, Jump Pack [1 PL, 18pts], Recitation of Focus, Power fist [9pts] Chapter Master [6 PL, -2CP, 148pts]: Combi-melta [15pts], Jump Pack [1 PL, 19pts], Thunder hammer [40pts](Master-Crafted Weapon), Stratagem: Chapter Master [-2CP], Student of History, Warlord + Troops [12 PL, 177pts] + Scout Squad [4 PL, 67pts] . Scout Sergeant [13pts]: Chainsword, Storm bolter [2pts] . 3x Scout w/Boltgun [33pts] . Scout w/Heavy Weapon [21pts]: Heavy bolter [10pts] Tactical Squad [4 PL, 80pts] . 3x Space Marine [36pts] . Space Marine Sergeant [12pts]: Boltgun, Chainsword . Space Marine w/Heavy Weapon [32pts]: Missile launcher [20pts] Tactical Squad [4 PL, 80pts] . 3x Space Marine [36pts] . Space Marine Sergeant [12pts]: Boltgun, Chainsword . Space Marine w/Heavy Weapon [32pts]: Missile launcher [20pts] + Elites [20 PL, 317pts] + Contemptor Dreadnought [6 PL, -2 CP, 132pts]: Stratagem: Hero of the Chapter [-1CP] All Flesh is Weak, Stratagem: March of the Ancients [-1CP], Combi-bolter [2pts], Dreadnought combat weapon [20pts], Kheres pattern assault cannon [22pts] Relic Sicaran Battle Tank [14 PL, 185pts]: Heavy bolter [10pts] . Two heavy bolters [20pts]: 2x Heavy bolter [20pts] + Fast Attack [16 PL, 312pts] + Bike Squad [9 PL, 195pts] . Attack Bike [37pts]: Heavy bolter [10pts], Twin boltgun [2pts] . Biker Sergeant [38pts]: Combi-melta [15pts], Twin boltgun [2pts] . 2x Space Marine Biker w/Chainsword [46pts]: 2x Twin boltgun [4pts] . Space Marine Biker w/Special Weapon [37pts]: Meltagun [14pts], Twin boltgun [2pts] . Space Marine Biker w/Special Weapon [37pts]: Meltagun [14pts], Twin boltgun [2pts] Scout Bike Squad [7 PL, 117pts] . 4x Scout Biker [92pts]: 4x Twin boltgun [8pts] . Scout Biker Sergeant [25pts]: Storm bolter [2pts], Twin boltgun [2pts] + Dedicated Transport [10 PL, 174pts] + Razorback [5 PL, 87pts]: Twin heavy bolter [17pts] Razorback [5 PL, 87pts]: Twin heavy bolter [17pts] ++ Battalion Detachment +5CP (Imperium - Space Marines) [56 PL, 1,035pts] ++ **Chapter Selection**: Iron Hands + HQ [12 PL, 262pts] + Librarian [6 PL, 131pts]: 1) Psysteel Armor, 2) Might of Heroes, Combi-melta [15pts], Force sword [8pts], Jump Pack [1 PL, 28pts] Librarian [6 PL, 131pts]: 1) Blessing of the Machine God, 2) Reforge, Combi-melta [15pts], Force sword [8pts], Jump Pack [1 PL, 28pts] + Troops [12 PL, 243pts] + Scout Squad [4 PL, 57pts] . Scout Sergeant [13pts]: Chainsword, Storm bolter [2pts] . 4x Scout w/Boltgun [44pts] Tactical Squad [4 PL, 93pts] . 3x Space Marine [36pts] . Space Marine Sergeant [31pts]: Combi-melta [15pts], Power maul [4pts] . Space Marine w/Special Weapon [26pts]: Meltagun [14pts] Tactical Squad [4 PL, 93pts] . 3x Space Marine [36pts] . Space Marine Sergeant [31pts]: Combi-melta [15pts], Power maul [4pts] . Space Marine w/Special Weapon [26pts]: Meltagun [14pts] + Elites [12 PL, 145pts] + Sternguard Veteran Squad [12 PL, 145pts] . Space Marine Veteran [14pts]: Special issue boltgun . Space Marine Veteran [14pts]: Special issue boltgun . Space Marine Veteran [14pts]: Special issue boltgun . Space Marine Veteran [14pts]: Special issue boltgun . Space Marine Veteran [14pts]: Special issue boltgun . Space Marine Veteran [14pts]: Special issue boltgun . Space Marine Veteran [14pts]: Special issue boltgun . Space Marine Veteran [14pts]: Special issue boltgun . Space Marine Veteran [14pts]: Special issue boltgun . Veteran Sergeant [19pts]: Power axe [5pts], Special issue boltgun + Dedicated Transport [3 PL, 67pts] + Rhino [3 PL, 67pts]: Storm bolter [2pts] ++ Total: [109 PL, -5CP, 1,999pts] ++