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++ Crusade Force Organisation Chart (LA - XII: World Eaters) [2,500Pts] ++ + Expanded Army Lists + Expanded Army List Profiles:: Exemplary Units On, Legacy Units On + Allegiance: + XII: World Eaters Allegiance: Traitor + Rite of War: + Rite of War: Berseker Assault (WE) + HQ: + Khârn the Bloody [210Pts]: Gorechild, Warlord + Elites: + Apothecarion Detachment [90Pts] . Apothecary: Bolt Pistol, Power Armour . . Chainsword: Chainsword . Apothecary: Bolt Pistol, Power Armour . . Chainsword: Chainsword Contemptor Dreadnought Talon [615Pts] . Contemptor Dreadnought: Gravis Power Fist with in-built ranged weapon, Gravis Power Fist with in-built ranged weapon, 2x Graviton Gun . Contemptor Dreadnought: Gravis Power Fist with in-built ranged weapon, Gravis Power Fist with in-built ranged weapon, 2x Graviton Gun . Contemptor Dreadnought: Gravis Power Fist with in-built ranged weapon, Gravis Power Fist with in-built ranged weapon, 2x Graviton Gun + Troops: + Despoiler Squad [225Pts] . Legion Despoiler Sergeant: Bolt Pistol, Power Armour, Power Fist . 18x Despoilers (collective): 18x Bolt Pistol, 18x Chainaxe . Despoiler w/ Options: Bolt Pistol, Chainaxe, Legion Vexilla Despoiler Squad [225Pts] . Legion Despoiler Sergeant: Bolt Pistol, Power Armour, Power Fist . 18x Despoilers (collective): 18x Bolt Pistol, 18x Chainaxe . Despoiler w/ Options: Bolt Pistol, Chainaxe, Legion Vexilla Despoiler Squad [225Pts] . Legion Despoiler Sergeant: Bolt Pistol, Power Armour, Power Fist . 18x Despoilers (collective): 18x Bolt Pistol, 18x Chainaxe . Despoiler w/ Options: Bolt Pistol, Chainaxe, Legion Vexilla Tactical Squad [160Pts] . Legion Tactical Sergeant: Bolt Pistol, Bolter, Chain Bayonet, Power Armour . 9x Legionaries (collective): 9x Bolt Pistol, 9x Bolter, 9x Chain Bayonet . Rhino Transport: Dozer Blade Tactical Squad [160Pts] . Legion Tactical Sergeant: Bolt Pistol, Bolter, Chain Bayonet, Power Armour . 9x Legionaries (collective): 9x Bolt Pistol, 9x Bolter, 9x Chain Bayonet . Rhino Transport: Dozer Blade + Fast Attack: + Predator Squadron [295Pts] . Predator: 2x Lascannons, Dozer Blade, Magna-Melta Cannon . Predator: 2x Lascannons, Dozer Blade, Magna-Melta Cannon Predator Squadron [295Pts] . Predator: 2x Lascannons, Dozer Blade, Magna-Melta Cannon . Predator: 2x Lascannons, Dozer Blade, Magna-Melta Cannon ++ Total: [2,500Pts] ++ Created with BattleScribe (https://battlescribe.net)

++ 1. Crusade Force Organisation Chart (LA - IV: Iron Warriors) [2,893Pts] ++ + Expanded Army Lists + Expanded Army List Profiles:: Exemplary Units On, Legacy Units On + Allegiance: + Allegiance: Traitor IV: Iron Warriors + Rite of War: + Rite of War: The Hammer Of Olympia (IW) + HQ: + Praetor, Cataphractii [180Pts]: Tyrant of the Dodekathon, Warlord . Warsmith: Cataphractii Terminator Armour, Thunder Hammer . . Magna Combi-Weapon: Magna Combi-Weapon - Disintegrator . . Warsmith + Elites: + Apothecarion Detachment [70Pts] . Apothecary: Artificer Armour, Bolt Pistol, Warhawk Jump Pack . . Chainsword: Chainsword Apothecarion Detachment [65Pts] . Apothecary: Artificer Armour, Bolt Pistol . . Chainsword: Chainsword . . Magna Combi-Weapon: Magna Combi-Weapon - Meltagun Contemptor Dreadnought Talon [205Pts] . Contemptor Dreadnought: Gravis Power Fist with in-built ranged weapon, Graviton Gun, Volkite Dual-Culverin Dominator Cohort [525Pts] . Dominator: Magna Combi-Weapon - Meltagun, Thunder Hammer . Dominator: Magna Combi-Weapon - Meltagun, Thunder Hammer . Dominator: Magna Combi-Weapon - Meltagun, Thunder Hammer . Dominator: Magna Combi-Weapon - Meltagun, Thunder Hammer . Dominator: Magna Combi-Weapon - Meltagun, Thunder Hammer . Dominator: Magna Combi-Weapon - Meltagun, Thunder Hammer . Dominator: Magna Combi-Weapon - Meltagun, Thunder Hammer . Dominator: Magna Combi-Weapon - Meltagun, Thunder Hammer . Dominator: Magna Combi-Weapon - Meltagun, Thunder Hammer . Dominator: Magna Combi-Weapon - Meltagun, Thunder Hammer + Troops: + Tactical Squad [223Pts] . Legion Tactical Sergeant: Artificer Armour, Magna Combi-Weapon - Meltagun, Plasma Pistol, Power Fist . 14x Legionary: 14x Bolt Pistol, 14x Shrapnel Bolter Tactical Squad [195Pts] . Legion Tactical Sergeant: Artificer Armour, Magna Combi-Weapon - Meltagun, Plasma Pistol, Power Fist . 14x Legionary: 14x Bolt Pistol, 14x Bolter + Heavy Support: + Deredeo Dreadnought Talon [225Pts] . Legion Deredeo Dreadnought: Arachnus Heavy Lascannon Battery, Four Boreas Air Defence Missiles, Twin-linked Heavy Bolter Iron Havocs [265Pts]: Augury Scanner, Bolt Pistol, 9x Iron Havoc, Shrapnel Cannon . Iron Havoc Sgt: Artificer Armour, Power Fist Land Raider Proteus Carrier Squadron [255Pts] . Land Raider Proteus Carrier: Multi-Melta, Twin-linked Lascannon Land Raider Spartan [375Pts] . Land Raider Spartan: 2x Lascannon Array, Hull (Front) Mounted Twin-linked Lascannon Tyrant Siege Terminator Squad [310Pts] . Siege Master: Grenade Harness, Power Fist . 4x Tyrant w/Power Fist: 4x Combi-Bolter, 4x Power Fist + Lords of War Have Moved to "Lords of War Detachment" + Lords of War Have Moved to "Lords of War Detachment" ++ Total: [2,893Pts] ++ Here’s mi first list attempt, still a few points to put in place, but I’d like to start collecting my army using this list. Be patient! Thanks!

First off I have not played in 3-5 years give or take a random "Hey lets try this game out". I have made a bunch of list from the 1.0 Heresy game and use to have fun crafting list...If you see something that could be better let me know or your own train of thought on how to you would build a list. Now like everyone else I picked up a box...or two for the new Starter set for Horus Heresy 2.0. I also got one of the Kratos Heavy Assault Tanks and let me tell you...super easy to magnetize compared to the years of old... *Insert back in my day joke here* I took a poll for my local gaming group where we are going to be playing and put all the Legions up made some jokes etc etc etc, of those voted for only Thousand Sons and Word Bearers were not picked by anyone. Also it seems I am being "forced" into a leadership roll for the growing of the community in general. What better then to take the Legion that started the entire Heresy and plunged the entire Imperium into Chaos, Darkness, Suspicion and unlawfulness. The funny part is if the Emperor had an actual sit down conversation with his weapon...Son and was able to convince him he was not a god, all powerful yes but not a God. Big G or little g either way this may have turned out differently but he had his other weapo...SON...destroy that one city that shall not be named and the rest is of course...History First List: 2500 points of pure traitors using most of the new box and a few bits from other...sources... HQ: Total - 385 Legion Praetor - Going to use the Praetor in the box with the Axe and turn it into a hammer using the Warpsmith model and give this guy a Thunder Hammer and a Disintegrator Pistol (which just sounds neato) Legion Centurion - Upgraded to a Chaplain: Using one of the Praetors from the starter set and using a Reiver head for the Chaplain-ness, Crozius Arcanum of course master crafted for free. Legion Centurion - Upgraded to a Librarian: Using the Chaos Sorcerer model I think would be a good use for that model, giving him a Force Stave and pay that upgrade for the Psychic hood incase I run across any other practitioners of forbidden arts. Elite: Total - 865 Legion Veteran Squad - 8 Man Mark VI armor (so I can upgrade with an Apothecary and HQ choice and put in a rhino)... wait what do you mean they can hold 12 now...what... Legion Veteran Squad - 10 Man Squad in Mark VI armor painted in the quick paint scheme I have learned via the YouTubes...Give them a few power sword, some Lightning Claws on one or two (using the chaos arms for that) and then a few combi-weapons...Magna...did you notice the difference threw me off too...guess a rhino here too Legion Terminator Cataphractii Squad - 5 Man squad for now (I have 15 more after this squad) give them a Reaper Autocannon, two more Magna Combi-Weapons, a set of Lightning Claws on the sarge (what is that 5 attacks with shred) Legion Apothecarion Detachment - YOU CAN TAKE 8 OF THESE GUYS TO MAKE A SQUAD NOW...HOLY SMOKES...I guess it makes sense if it is a 0-1 option...uhhh three of these please for now Legion Techmarine Covenant - HOLY :cuss THE SAMETHING HERE...I was going to use that Warpsmith model from the HQ choices and put him in the back with the Kratos Tank. It is kind of sad that the Servo-Harness was not a 30k choice...with a boarding shield, thunder hammer and cyber-familiar I might throw him in a front line squad Troops: Total - 840 Legion Tactical Squad - Basic 10 Man Squad give the ol' sarge a plasma pistol and a TAINTED BLADE...I guess it really is just a 20 point upgrade (10 for the power weapon then 10 to upgrade that), give him Artificer armor give the squad all chainswords for that classic one-two combo and put them in a Rhino with a multi-melta...throw on a dozer blade...I feel like terrain is a bigger thing now then 10 years ago... Legion Tactical Squad - Copy and paste Legion Tactical Squad - Copy and paste Heavy Support: Total - 410 Legion Kratos Squadron - I mean its only one for right now but I like that we can take up to two for a squadron of these things...will be cool to see at the bigger games...Volkite all around for all the guns....except the pintle mounted Multi-Melta...throw on some other upgrades like a FLARE SHIELD ...AWESOME....

Hi everyone, I'm a bit of a heresy beginner and want to get into space wolves. I have an idea for a veteran pride of the legion list and want to hear if its a decent list or not before I go too far down the rabbit hole. I'm sure I have enough infantry and armour stopping power. I imagine my terminators, veterans and the quad launcher would be good against infantry while the kratos and spartan would be nice against armour. The jetbikes I am thinking would be good for harrasing. I'm not sure how useful the veteran squad is kitted out wiht chain bayonets and serpentas is, besides choom is cool. But I imagine being a space wolf if I understand i can basically move fast and charge so I'm hoping they can shoot when needed and then get into it with serpentas and chain bayonets when possible. Any advice, critiques or comments would be appreciated. + Rite of War: + Rite of War: Pride Of The Legion + HQ: [155Pts] + Praetor, Cataphractii [155Pts]: Howl of Morkai, Warlord . Jarl [155Pts]: Cataphractii Terminator Armour, Combi-Bolter, Jarl [10Pts], Master of the Legion . . Power Weapon [10Pts]: Great Frost Blade [10Pts] + Elites: [320Pts] + Deathsworn Pack [195Pts]: Artificer Armour, Bolt Pistol, 5x Deathsworn [150Pts], Frag Grenades, Krak Grenades, Power Axe, Rad Grenades [20Pts], Ymira Class Stasis Bombs Rapier Battery [65Pts]: 2x Bolt Pistol, 2x Bolter, Laser Destroyer [25Pts] . Rapier Carrier (& Gunners) [40Pts]: 2x Gunner, Legiones Astartes (X), Rapier Carrier Rapier Battery [60Pts]: 2x Bolt Pistol, 2x Bolter, Quad Launcher - Frag [20Pts] . Rapier Carrier (& Gunners) [40Pts]: 2x Gunner, Legiones Astartes (X), Rapier Carrier + Troops: [1,449Pts] + Tactical Support Squad [120Pts]: Frag Grenades, Krak Grenades, Power Armour, Rotor Cannon [25Pts] . Legion Tactical Support Sergeant: Bolt Pistol, Power Armour . 3x Legionaries (collective) [36Pts]: 3x Bolt Pistol . Legionary w/ Options [22Pts]: Augury Scanner [10Pts], Bolt Pistol Varagyr Wolf Guard Terminator Squad [925Pts]: 10x Cataphractii Terminator Armour, Legion Vexilla [10Pts] . Land Raider Spartan [430Pts] . . Land Raider Spartan [430Pts]: 2x Lascannon Destroyer, Flare Shield [50Pts], Heavy Flamer [5Pts], Hull (Front) Mounted Twin-linked Lascannon [25Pts], Legiones Astartes (X), Smoke Launchers . Thegn [80Pts]: Combi-Bolter, Frost Axe, Grenade Harness [10Pts] . Varagyr [45Pts]: Combi-Bolter, Frost Axe . Varagyr [45Pts]: Combi-Bolter, Frost Axe . Varagyr [45Pts]: Combi-Bolter, Frost Axe . Varagyr [45Pts]: Combi-Bolter, Frost Axe . Varagyr [45Pts]: Combi-Bolter, Frost Claw . Varagyr [45Pts]: Combi-Bolter, Frost Claw . Varagyr [45Pts]: Combi-Bolter, Frost Claw . Varagyr [45Pts]: Combi-Bolter, Frost Claw . Varagyr [45Pts]: Combi-Bolter, Frost Claw Veteran Squad [404Pts]: Augury Scanner [10Pts], Frag Grenades, Krak Grenades, Legion Vexilla [10Pts], Nuncio-Vox [10Pts], Power Armour, Pride of the Legion Compulsory Troops . Veteran Sergeant [40Pts]: Artificer Armour [10Pts], Magna Combi-Weapon - Meltagun [10Pts], Meltabombs [10Pts], Volkite Serpenta [5Pts] . . Power Weapon [5Pts]: Power Sword . Veteran [25Pts]: Bolter, Chain Bayonet [2Pts], Volkite Serpenta [5Pts] . Veteran [25Pts]: Bolter, Chain Bayonet [2Pts], Volkite Serpenta [5Pts] . Veteran [25Pts]: Bolter, Chain Bayonet [2Pts], Volkite Serpenta [5Pts] . Veteran [25Pts]: Bolter, Chain Bayonet [2Pts], Volkite Serpenta [5Pts] . Veteran [25Pts]: Bolter, Chain Bayonet [2Pts], Volkite Serpenta [5Pts] . Veteran [25Pts]: Bolter, Chain Bayonet [2Pts], Volkite Serpenta [5Pts] . Veteran [25Pts]: Bolter, Chain Bayonet [2Pts], Volkite Serpenta [5Pts] . Rhino Transport [55Pts]: 1x Hull (Front) Mounted hunter-killer missile [5Pts], Dozer Blade [5Pts], Heavy Bolter [10Pts], Smoke Launchers, Twin-linked Bolter . Veteran w/Heavy/Special Weapon (1 in 5) [33Pts]: Plasma Gun [10Pts], Volkite Serpenta [5Pts] . Veteran w/Heavy/Special Weapon (1 in 5) [28Pts]: Bolt Pistol, Plasma Gun [10Pts] + Fast Attack: [161Pts] + Sky-Hunter Squadron [161Pts]: Legiones Astartes (X), Power Armour, Scimitar Jetbike . Legion Sky-Hunter Sergeant [32Pts]: Artificer Armour [10Pts], Multi-Melta [15Pts], Volkite Serpenta [5Pts] . . Chainsword [2Pts]: Fenrisian Axe [2Pts] . Legion Sky-Hunter [42Pts]: Fenrisian Axe [2Pts], Volkite Culverin [5Pts], Volkite Serpenta [5Pts] . Legion Sky-Hunter [42Pts]: Fenrisian Axe [2Pts], Volkite Culverin [5Pts], Volkite Serpenta [5Pts] + Heavy Support: [415Pts] + Kratos Squadron [415Pts] . Kratos [400Pts]: 2x Lascannons [25Pts], Co-axial Mounted Autocannon, Dozer Blade [10Pts], Flare Shield [50Pts], Hull (Front, Right/Left) Mounted Volkite Calivers [5Pts], Pintle Mounted Havoc Launcher [15Pts], Smoke Launchers . . Kratos Battlecannon [10Pts]: Kratos Battlecannon - AP Shells, Kratos Battlecannon - Flashburn Shells [10Pts], Kratos Battlecannon - HE Shells ++ Total: [2,500Pts] ++

Hey y'all, figured I'd post the AL army I'm in the midst of collecting for the sake of getting your input on it. Generally speaking, I'd like to see what I could do better, as far as list-building goes. That said, let's get into the meat of this. + HQ + Autilon Skorr [125pts] + Elites + Contemptor-Cortus Class Dreadnought Talon [150pts] . Cortus Dreadnought: Kheres Pattern Assault Cannon . . Dreadnought Close Combat Weapon: Twin-linked Bolter Rapier Weapons Battery [165pts] . Rapier Weapons Battery: Laser Destroyer Array . Rapier Weapons Battery: Laser Destroyer Array . Rapier Weapons Battery: Laser Destroyer Array The Rewards of Treason [300pts] . Khenetai Blade Occult Cabal: 8x Khenetai Blades . . Khenetai Blademaster . . . Artificer Armour . . . Melta Bombs + Troops + Assault Squad [250pts]: 9x Assault Space Marines . Additional Wargear: Melta Bombs . Assault Sergeant: Artificer Armour, Power Fist Tactical Squad [160pts]: 9x Tactical Space Marines . Additional Wargear: Bolters, Nuncio-vox . Tactical Sergeant: Artificer Armour, Power Fist Tactical Squad [160pts]: 9x Tactical Space Marines . Additional Wargear: Bolters, Nuncio-vox . Tactical Sergeant: Artificer Armour, Power Fist + Fast Attack + Anvillus Pattern Dreadclaw Drop Pod [115pts]: Frag Assault Launchers Seeker Squad [240pts]: Rhino, 4x Seeker Space Marines . Additional Wargear . . Combi-plasma . . Combi-plasma . . Combi-plasma . . Combi-plasma . Strike Leader, Legion . . Power Sword + Heavy Support + Sicaran Arcus Strike Tank [220pts]: Twin Arcus launcher: Skyspear Warheads Whirlwind Scorpius [115pts]: Scorpius Multi-Launcher The intent here is to give Skorr the Master of Ambush WT, to give himself, the Khenetai (who will be put in the Dreadclaw along with Skorr), and the 2 Tactical Squads Infiltrate. This frees up my Mutable Tactic selection, allowing me to take something more beneficial to other situations, such as Counter-Attack or Tank Hunter. I'll be rolling on Biomancy for the Khenetai, hoping for either Iron Arm or Warp Speed, and throwing them at any 3+ unit I want gone. Meanwhile, the Seekers will be dedicated to targeting any 2+ unit I can set my sights on, who will also be Marked for Death by the Seekers. With that all said and done, thoughts on the force?

Hello all, I’m looking to go to a tournament in a couple of months and want to make sure everything is ready, painted and playtested a good few times before I go. I know the new chapter approved will be out in January so may undo some of the comments/ way the list is built but what are people’s thoughts on the following competitive list for the Black Legion? It’s 2000 points. Thanks in advance

I've always tried to maintain a balanced list, but still make it "fluffy" in some ways. This is my 8th Edition attempt at that. What are your thoughts? All criticism/advice is welcomed. + HQ + Kayvaan Shrike [8 PL, 150pts] Librarian in Terminator Armor [9 PL, 172pts]: Force stave, Storm shield + Troops + 5x Scout Squad [6 PL, 65pts] . Scout Sergeant: Astartes shotgun, Bolt pistol . Scout w/Heavy Weapon: Heavy bolter . 3x Scout w/Shotgun 5x Scout Squad [6 PL, 96pts]s . Scout Sergeant: Bolt pistol, Sniper rifle . Scout w/Heavy Weapon: Missile launcher . 3x Scout w/Sniper Rifle: 3x Sniper rifle 5x Scout Squad [6 PL, 65pts] . Scout Sergeant: Astartes shotgun, Bolt pistol . Scout w/Heavy Weapon: Heavy bolter . 3x Scout w/Shotgun 10x Tactical Squad [9 PL, 143pts] . 8x Space Marine . Space Marine Sergeant: Bolt pistol, Boltgun . Space Marine w/Special Weapon: Plasma gun 10x Tactical Squad [9 PL, 130pts] . 9x Space Marine . Space Marine Sergeant: Bolt pistol, Boltgun + Elites + Dreadnought [7 PL, 145pts]: Missile launcher, Twin lascannon 5x Terminator Assault Squad [12 PL, 260pts]: Teleport Homer . Terminator Sergeant . . Thunder Hammer & Storm Shield: Storm shield, Thunder hammer . 4x Terminator w/THSS: 4x Storm shield, 4x Thunder hammer + Fast Attack + 10x Assault Squad [11 PL, 182pts]: Jump Pack . 7x Space Marine . Space Marine Sergeant: Bolt pistol, Combat shield, Power maul . Space Marine w/Special Weapon . . Plasma Pistol & Chainsword: Plasma pistol . Space Marine w/Special Weapon . . Plasma Pistol & Chainsword: Plasma pistol + Heavy Support + 5x Devastator Squad [8 PL, 165pts] . Space Marine Sergeant: Bolt pistol, Boltgun . Space Marine w/Heavy Weapon: Lascannon . Space Marine w/Heavy Weapon: Lascannon . Space Marine w/Heavy Weapon: Missile launcher . Space Marine w/Heavy Weapon: Missile launcher Predator [9 PL, 192pts]: Storm bolter, Twin lascannon, Two Lascannons + Dedicated Transport + Razorback [5 PL, 117pts]: Storm bolter, Twin lascannon Razorback [5 PL, 117pts]: Storm bolter, Twin lascannon ++ Total: [110 PL, 1999pts] ++ The idea is to have the 2 Scouts Squads with Shotguns in the opponents face, the Sniper Squad picking off characters, My Lib with my Assault Terms teleporting in, Shrike deep striking with the Assault Squad, both 10- man Tacts combat squaded, half of each squad in Razorbacks for maneuverability and objective holding. The Predator, Devs, and Dread taking out big targets.

Hey all. I thought it would be a good idea to have a thread discussing the lists and tactics people are using in SW:A with their Guard. Feel free to post up any army lists you're working on and discuss any tactics that have or haven't been working for you. To be honest, any Imperial Guard SW:A chat is welcome here. At the minute, I'm working on converting up a Veteran Kill Team based on one of the Black Library Novels. You can check out their progress in my thread. http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/321424-stuff-thangs/ Here is my provisional starting list. 1. Veteran Sergeant with lasgun, camo gear 150 2. Veteran with lasgun, camo gear 90 3. Veteran with lasgun, camo gear 90 4. Veteran with lasgun, camo gear 90 5. Veteran with shotgun, lasgun, camo gear 110 6. Special Weapons Operative with plasma gun, camo gear 155 7. Special Weapons Operative with sniper rifle, telescopic sight, toxic rounds, camo gear 155 8. Special Weapons Operative with grenade launcher (frag), camo gear 160 1000/1000 The plan with this list is to buy two recruits without any other gear after my first game, to bring me up to maximum team size. They'll try not to die in the second game (as I don't believe you can give traded gear to a recruit before their first game). I will then give one the shotgunner's spare lasgun and use my 100 points to get a lasgun and camo gear for the new recruits, and a smattering of new gear for the vets. Sound like a decent plan? In my opinion, it looks like lasguns are a better plan than shotguns, but I have the model and it's more of a rule of cool thing. That said, if anyone has had success using shotguns, let us know. I don't know if the special weapons I've chosen are the most optimal, but I thought it would be more interesting to try different weapons than to spam the "best" gun. One option for my list is to drop the spare lasgun and give the sgt. a bolter and grab a clip harness for the sniper? Do people think this is a better option? Dallo

So here's a fun fact - I've never played 9th Edition of 40k. In fact, I've been rather happy playing 30k this whole time. But there's a big 40k tournament coming up and I'm thinking of jumping in. I've made this thread so that I can post my thoughts and discussions regarding the list, tactics and also progress on my army. So I've come up with a list based on the stuff which I own which could easily be used in 40k. I'm hoping to make as few purchases but I don't mind spending if need be. 2000 points Night Lords Ark of Omens Detachment (Elites) HQ: DP - MoS, Wings, Claws of the Stygian Count, Psychic Powers: Death Hex, WL Trait: Dirty Fighter - 175 Master of Possession - Chaos Undivided, Psychic Powers: Mutated Invigoration, Pact of Flesh, Gifts of Chaos: Liber Hereticus - 105 Elites: Terminator Squad - 8 man - MoS, Black Rune, Chainfist, 3x PFist, 2x Combi-melta, 1 Reaper autocannon - 343 Chosen - 8 man - MoK, 1 PFist, Bolters, Accursed Weapons, Icon - 245 - Rhino - Combi-bolter - 80 Chosen - 8 man - MoK, 1 PFist, Bolters, Accursed Weapons, Icon - 245 - Rhino - Combi-bolter - 80 Master of Executions - MoS, WL Trait: Night Haunter's Curse - 85 Fast Attack: Raptors - 5 man - MoK, 2 Meltaguns - 140 Raptors - 5 man - MoK, 2 Meltaguns - 140 Heavy Support: Obliterators - 2 man - 180 Obliterators - 2 man - 180 Total: 1998 Starting CP: 1 Tactics - The idea is to apply pressure early with terminator brick deepstriking in turn 1. Hopefully, I can charge into combat and then use We Have Come For You to lock them in. - While the terminators establish the beachhead, my chosen in the rhinos advance up the board with the DP. - Master of Executions with Night Haunter's Curse to guarantee a 6 for his axe of dismemberment. I've also gone for the Mark of Slaanesh for the murderous perfection. - The Raptors are there mostly for objectives and actions, possibly bullying a weaker shooty unit - Oblits will be deepstriking in to take out hard targets. Secondaries This is probably the most confusing thing for me coming into 9th. I'm not sure what to take, but based on my army I'm thinking of taking the following: - The Long War/ Sow the Seed, Reap the Fear I like Sow the Seed, Reap the Fear because it's pretty thematic. Also, I think with how deadly my units are in melee, my opponent will have to choose between either having the unit die in combat or giving me a VP by falling back. I also like The Long War because it seems to play very much into being very aggressive and attacking the opponent just to get them off an objective. - Warp Ritual Warp Ritual seems fairly easy for me to complete with the DP and MoP being psykers. - Raise the Banners High I figure this is something I might be able to do with my Raptors having the mobility to move around the board quickly.

Good morning denizens of the Fang! I just wanted to fill you all in on my 10th experience so far. Im not one for full detailed battle reports as I dont take the notes for it and since the child arrived i don't have enough spare time to post immediately after my Tuesday night games. I have been trying this army with some tweaks as we go (lastest iterations above) for most of 10th. And i feel is really settling out. Ive had 2 games in its Stormlance configuration (Blood Angels and tyranids both SW victory) and I have found that it is seemingly ideal for my list construction. Advance and charge eith the calvary bricks is really nice and it helps if you need to get some bodies on objectives to clean up at the end. Lascannons are feeling essential for me this edition hence the 16 present in the list. The grey hunters pull their weight as well as they generally ride in the Razorbacks and help grab far objectives. I am looking at a couple tweaks. I plan to drop the heavy intercessors, pack Leader, and portents of wisdom for a Whirlwind. Played against one last night and that baby can slap. The other swap im a bit less sure of but im thinking about swapping the udiciar for either Ulric or a base chaplain. The Judiciar gets work done but the +1 to wound or rerolls is tempting for the bladeguard. Lastely, I do want to say combat patrol is really fun. Weirdly it feels like they spent most of their balancing efforts on combat patrol not the base game. Now small sample size of 5 games but i found them fun, engaging and balanced. I plan to play more as i can do a couple in a night. Opponents were tyranids (2), sisters, space marines and deathguard. I found them to be really great games that feel more balanced than the base game, though i do actually feel like that is improving overall for regular 40k. Hope you find something useful in all this

I tried to come up with something that seemed fluffy for the "New" Dark Angels. Wrath of The Rock: It starts with The Lion, surrounded by 5 Infiltrators led by a Phobos Libraian (Nobody Deepstrikes within 12" and nobody shoots from outside 12" while The Lion can charge and Ginsu almost anyone within 12" with an Oopsie Escape Valve in Leonine Aggression) After that You've got Azrael with 6 Inner Circle Champions and an MC Power Sword Ancient with Ancient Weapons. So 8 Dudes with at least a 3+/4++ and situational 4+++ (Center or on objectives) A Chaplain in Terminator Armor with Relic Shield and Deathwing Assault leading 5 Deathwing Knights A Librarian in Terminator Armor leading 10 Tactical Terminators lugging around 2 Cyclones for his Sustained Hits A Ravenwing Command Squad with Lord of the Ravenwing to reroll the Advance and Charge (Charge also receives +1) to lead the 6 Blackwing Knights giving all those plasma dudes an Apothecary to really make triggering Knights of Caliban easy. 5 Intercessors to run around sticky capping as an annoyance/scorer.

Have a tournament coming up in December. Newer local store is running their first event. It's going to be a smaller points event, they have several newer players that got into the game over the pandemic. I've been playing 40k since 3rd but mostly skipped over 7th and most of 8th and have only been playing 9th regularly for a few months since I found this new group. I plan to play my CSM at the event and I'm just looking for some tips on list building. I'm not too concerned with it being ultra competitive, most of the players there are going to be pretty casual so I'm aiming for that sweet spot of strong but not exactly min/maxed. We've also been playing mostly just Tempest or War or normal Eternal War missions so I have almost no experience with Nephilim and secondaries so would love tips on what I should be picking there too. Anyway here's the list ++ Battalion Detachment 0CP (Chaos - Chaos Space Marines) [65 PL, 3CP, 1,250pts] ++ + Configuration + Battle Size [6CP]: 3. Strike Force (101-200 Total PL / 1001-2000 Points) Game Type: 4. Chapter Approved: War Zone Nephilim Legion: Word Bearers + HQ + Dark Apostle [5 PL, 95pts]: Chaos Undivided, Illusory Supplication, Warlord . 2x Dark Disciple: 2x Close combat weapon Master of Possession [6 PL, 105pts]: Chaos Undivided, Mutated Invigoration, Pact of Flesh + Troops + Cultists Mob [2 PL, 55pts] . 8x Chaos Cultist w/ cultist firearm: 8x Cultist firearm, 8x Frag & Krak grenades . Chaos Cultist w/ heavy stubber: Heavy stubber . Cultist Champion . . Autopistol and brutal assault weapon Legionaries [7 PL, 145pts]: Chaos Icon, Mark of Tzeentch . Aspiring Champion: Astartes chainsword, Boltgun . Marine w/ balefire tome: Balefire tome, Prescience . 2x Marine w/ boltgun: 2x Bolt pistol, 2x Boltgun, 2x Frag & Krak grenades . Marine w/ heavy weapon: Reaper chaincannon Legionaries [7 PL, 130pts]: Chaos Icon, Mark of Khorne . Aspiring Champion: Bolt pistol, Power fist . 3x Marine w/ astartes chainsword: 3x Astartes chainsword, 3x Bolt pistol, 3x Frag & Krak grenades . Marine w/ heavy chainaxe: Heavy chainaxe + Elites + Chaos Terminator Squad [10 PL, -1CP, 200pts]: Mark of Tzeentch . Chaos Terminator: Power fist, Reaper autocannon . Chaos Terminator: Accursed weapon, Combi-melta . Chaos Terminator: Accursed weapon, Combi-melta . Chaos Terminator: Accursed weapon, Combi-bolter . Terminator Champion: Accursed weapon, Black Rune of Damnation, Combi-bolter, Trophies of the Long War Helbrute [7 PL, 125pts]: Helbrute fist, Mark of Tzeentch, Multi-melta Master of Executions [4 PL, -2CP, 65pts]: 1. Flames of Spite, Aspiring Lord, Chaos Undivided, Stratagem: Relic, Ul'o'cca, the Black Possessed [7 PL, 140pts]: Possessed Champion . 4x Possessed: 4x Hideous mutations + Fast Attack + Venomcrawler [6 PL, 105pts] + Dedicated Transport + Chaos Rhino [4 PL, 85pts]: Havoc launcher ++ Total: [65 PL, 3CP, 1,250pts] ++

My current smashface 2k Warhawks <Raven Guard> list. This is an exercise in why not what is in the list. + HQ + Korvin Kestrel <Kayvaan Shrike> Relatively cheap and flexible, if underpowered in melee Primaris Chaplain: Warlord, Master of Ambush, Swift and Deadly, The Vox Espiritum, Master of Sanctity, Litany of Hate, Exhortation of Rage, Canticle of Hate (Aura) For good or ill a must have at the moment. Usually has lived most the game in my games so far and makes the Assault Intercessors a threat on Turn 1 that has to be dealt with leaving one of the forward deployed Incursor units unscathed. + Troops + 10 man Assault Intercessor Squad: Sgt Plasma pistol, Power fist See Chaplain Above 5 man Incursor Squad 5 man Incursor Squad Generally with 5 Primary Objectives both will be forward deployed with the Eliminators holding my deployment zones Objective, with 6 Primary Objectives one will remain in the backfield guarding the second Objective, while the second unit grabs most defensible Objective in the midfield. Caveat: If opportunity for a shot at killing a character in Turn 1 seems possible I might use Eliminators in the midfield and both Incursors in the backfield. + Elites + 5 man Bladeguard Veteran Squad 5 man Bladeguard Veteran Squad Designed to Infiltrate (2 CP) forward pregame to reinforce or flip the midfield Primary Objectives if needed. Advancing is a gamble but the Chaplain's relic often makes it possible. Even better when I can use them to intercept opponents looking to engage the Incursors. + Fast Attack + 5 man Bolter Inceptor Squad 5 man Bolter Inceptor Squad cheap Arrive Turn 2 as cover fire for the Incursors and Bladeguard. This combination of units, 1 ObSec, 1 Assault, 1 Fire Support is what I refer to as a Strike Teams. They are 505 points each and are responsible for securing the midfield. The Chaplain and Assault Intercessors are there also but they are more a Distraction Carnifex (without it being obviously so I hope) as what I really want from them is to draw units or unit fire away from the Strike Teams. + Heavy Support + 3 man Eliminator Squad See Troops Above 5 man Eradicator Squad 5 man Eradicator Squad I haven't used these yet but they are tagging in for the Aggressors. Same points now with the +5 pts per model in the FAQ. I'll be more than happy to put the Aggressors back in if it doesn't work out. I love Aggressors RoF and the powerfist are nice when close to the Chappy or Kestrel. Either way this is going to usually be another 2 CP investment with Strike from the Shadows. They are suppose to Strike from the Shadows delete the biggest baddest unit possible (preferably one without a 4++) and then die from the counter strike. Which is why I have two. Redundancy without spamming is your friend. I say without spamming not because I think spam in of itself is bad. I just feel it makes you a one trick pony and reduces your flexibility factor. Which is how gatekeepers shut you down rounds one and two of a tournament. So there you have what I have but more importantly why. Honestly I'd never upgrade the Assault Intercessor Sgt like that as its a distraction unit but very little point options for a All-Primaris Only army. Better than couple years ago though. List is designed to excel at grabbing the Primaries. I will always take Deploy Scramblers and Engage on All Fronts unit GW comes up with more "on your turn" Secondaries. Third Secondary is normally Opponent or Mission Specific. Another reason to keep your list flexible.

There is a lot we don't know about ARK or boarding parties yet. What is allowed, what isn't and so on. But making some assumptions, here is a 500 pt list that I think is going to work well. It's pretty straight forward really. This is what I plan to build towards. I've got like 3-4 500 point lists now for different armies. lol Let me know what you think, should change, should consider and so on. Thanks. New Roster (Warhammer 40,000 9th Edition) [21 PL, 2CP, 498pts] Patrol Detachment 0CP (Leagues of Votann) Configuration Battle Size Selections: 2. Incursion (51-100 Total PL / 501-1000 Points) Categories: Configuration Detachment Command Cost Categories: Configuration Game Type Selections: 4. Chapter Approved: War Zone Nephilim Categories: Configuration League Selections: Trans-Hyperian Alliance Categories: Configuration HQ Einhyr Champion Selections: Darkstar axe, Stratagem: Relic, Teleport crest, Warlord, Wayfarer's Grace Categories: HQ, Faction: Votann, Infantry, Character, Accelerated, Exo-armour, Einhyr, Champion, Trans-Hyperian Alliance, THA Warlord, Teleportation, Warlord Troops Hearthkyn Warriors w/ ion blasters Categories: Troops, Faction: Votann, Infantry, Core, Shield Crest, Concussion, Hearthkyn Warriors, Trans-Hyperian Alliance Theyn Selections: EtaCarn plasma pistol, Plasma sword 7x Warrior Selections: 7x Autoch-pattern bolt pistol, 7x Gravitic concussion grenades, 7x Ion blaster Warrior w/ heavy weapon Selections: L7 missile launcher Warrior w/ medipack Selections: Ion blaster, Medipack Elites Hearthguard w/ plasma guns and plasma blade gauntlets Selections: Hearthguard, Hearthguard, Hearthguard, Hearthguard Categories: Elites, Faction: Votann, Infantry, Core, Exo-armour, Einhyr, Hearthguard, Trans-Hyperian Alliance Hesyr Selections: Concussion hammer, Teleport crest Categories: Teleportation

Playing around with new list building and AoC. ++ Battalion Detachment 0CP (Imperium - Adeptus Astartes - Blood Angels) [124 PL, 2,000pts, 1CP] ++ + Configuration + **Chapter Selector**: Blood Angels Successor, Born Heroes , Custom Chapter, Whirlwind of Rage Battle Size [6CP]: 3. Strike Force (101-200 Total PL / 1001-2000 Points) Detachment Command Cost Gametype: 4. Chapter Approved: War Zone Nephilim + HQ + Captain [6 PL, 120pts, -1CP]: Inferno pistol, Jump Pack, Master-Crafted Weapon, Power fist, Stratagem: Relic of the Chapter Chaplain [7 PL, 130pts, -3CP]: 3. Exhortation of Rage, 6. Canticle of Hate (Aura), Bolt pistol, Chapter Command: Master of Sanctity, Icon of The Angel, Jump Pack, Litany of Hate, Stratagem: Honoured by the Arx Angelicum, Stratagem: Relic, Stratagem: Warlord Trait, Warlord, Wise Orator Sanguinary Priest [7 PL, 155pts, -1CP]: Astartes Chainsword, Bolt pistol, Chapter Command: Chief Apothecary, Jump Pack, Selfless Healer, Stratagem: Hero of the Chapter + Troops + Incursor Squad [5 PL, 105pts] . 4x Incursor: 4x Bolt pistol, 4x Frag & Krak grenades, 4x Occulus bolt carbine, 4x Paired combat blades . Incursor Sergeant Incursor Squad [5 PL, 105pts] . 4x Incursor: 4x Bolt pistol, 4x Frag & Krak grenades, 4x Occulus bolt carbine, 4x Paired combat blades . Incursor Sergeant Infiltrator Squad [6 PL, 130pts]: Helix gauntlet . 4x Infiltrator: 4x Bolt pistol, 4x Frag & Krak grenades, 4x Marksman bolt carbine . Infiltrator Sergeant Intercessor Squad [5 PL, 110pts]: Astartes Grenade Launcher, Auto Bolt Rifle . 4x Intercessor: 4x Bolt pistol, 4x Frag & Krak grenades . Intercessor Sergeant: Power sword Intercessor Squad [5 PL, 110pts]: Astartes Grenade Launcher, Auto Bolt Rifle . 4x Intercessor: 4x Bolt pistol, 4x Frag & Krak grenades . Intercessor Sergeant: Power sword + Elites + Sanguinary Guard [17 PL, 175pts] . Sanguinary Guard: Angelus boltgun, Power fist . Sanguinary Guard: Angelus boltgun, Power fist . Sanguinary Guard: Angelus boltgun, Power fist . Sanguinary Guard: Angelus boltgun, Power fist . Sanguinary Guard: Angelus boltgun, Power fist Sanguinary Guard [17 PL, 175pts] . Sanguinary Guard: Angelus boltgun, Power fist . Sanguinary Guard: Angelus boltgun, Power fist . Sanguinary Guard: Angelus boltgun, Power fist . Sanguinary Guard: Angelus boltgun, Power fist . Sanguinary Guard: Angelus boltgun, Power fist Sanguinary Guard [17 PL, 175pts] . Sanguinary Guard: Angelus boltgun, Power fist . Sanguinary Guard: Angelus boltgun, Power fist . Sanguinary Guard: Angelus boltgun, Power fist . Sanguinary Guard: Angelus boltgun, Power fist . Sanguinary Guard: Angelus boltgun, Power fist + Fast Attack + Assault Squad [6 PL, 90pts]: Jump Pack . 2x Space Marine: 2x Astartes Chainsword, 2x Bolt pistol, 2x Frag & Krak grenades . Space Marine Sergeant: Combat shield, Inferno pistol, Power sword . Space Marine w/Special Weapon: Inferno pistol . Space Marine w/Special Weapon: Inferno pistol Assault Squad [6 PL, 90pts]: Jump Pack . 2x Space Marine: 2x Astartes Chainsword, 2x Bolt pistol, 2x Frag & Krak grenades . Space Marine Sergeant: Combat shield, Inferno pistol, Power sword . Space Marine w/Special Weapon: Inferno pistol . Space Marine w/Special Weapon: Inferno pistol Inceptor Squad [7 PL, 180pts]: 2x Inceptor, Inceptor Sergeant, Plasma Exterminator x2 + Heavy Support + Eliminator Squad [4 PL, 75pts]: Bolt sniper rifle . Eliminator Sergeant: Bolt sniper rifle . 2x Eliminators: 2x Bolt pistol, 2x Camo cloak, 2x Frag & Krak grenades Eliminator Squad [4 PL, 75pts]: Bolt sniper rifle . Eliminator Sergeant: Bolt sniper rifle . 2x Eliminators: 2x Bolt pistol, 2x Camo cloak, 2x Frag & Krak grenades ++ Total: [124 PL, 1CP, 2,000pts] ++ Created with BattleScribe Everything starts on the table. The Captain, Assault Squads and Inceptors work together. Assault Squads bully lighter chaff, the inferno pistols work as a threat to anything stronger, the Inceptors act against elite units, and the Captain also acts to help prevent overheating and against more elite or harder targets. The Sanguinary Priest does have The Armor Indomitus. The Sanguinary Priest, Chaplain, and Sanguinary Guard are crazy act as a unit. The Sanguinary Guard will hit on 2s and exploding 6s on the charge, I have done this with double exploding 6s Space Wolf Successor Bladeguard destroying Knights in one turn of Combat, tripling that number and hitting at Str 8 vs Str 5 will more than make up for any differences in those units. Eliminators are there to sit on a backfield objective(s) and to provide a threat to Characters, admittedly probably more psychological. Infiltrators are just a pain to remove, Incursors play midboard annoyance, and Intercessors move into the midboard to take over hopefully cleared objectives. How does this list look? Thanks for the feedback!

Hey all! A bit of a fun one here - was having a discussion about how drop pods could possibly be used in 10th Ed, with the general consensus being that they're really not up to much right now. I own 5 of them, having started in the hobby at the tail end of 3rd, and 5th saw me putting together a full Steel Rain force. I know I'd love to put them back onto the table as they're really thematic for marines! So, the issues: - Massive footprint on the table, so easily screened - Limited selection of potential passengers - No charge after disembarking The pros: - Put units where you want them, early - Area denial/screening/scoring My thinking, then, is this: Drop pods need a secure Drop zone to avoid being screened out - which means you need boots on the ground to screen the screens, so to speak. Enter the Infiltrators - who can throw out a 31.5" deployment and deep strike denial bubble around a 5 man unit put down in a straight line. Put them far forward enough, and they should be able to mess with your opponent's deployment zone. So what benefits from this? Units with mid-range shooting. Hellblasters and Devastators, I reckon. So those guys can come down in mid-board positions behind the Infiltrators in the "denial zone" with the best possible lines of fire after deployment, and you put the pods where they can best be of nuisance value for objectives with those restrictions. Go with a Firestorm Detachment to lean into that and provide post-drop mobility, and maybe it'd have some legs? Here's the WiP list I've started putting together with this stuff in mind - what do people reckon? What best backs this up? Could it work?

Been a lore fan for a while, but I'm about to have more free time and disposable income so I decided to try my hand at designing a playable 2000-point 10e army. I experimented a bit with ChatGPT but decided I needed human help. I tend to like a methodical play style in strategy games, so I've been toying for a while with a siege warfare theme, and eventually came up with a Loyalist Iron Warriors schism that I dubbed the Adamant Repenters (story-wise, originally formed from defectors post-Isstvan V). I'm still new to the ruleset, but I can tell enough that I want to use the Ironstorm Spearhead detachment because armor and artillery. Current list: HQ: Techmarine (55pt) - Warlord (Forge-Captain Ofentse Malewezi, CO, 3rd Grand Company) Captain in Gravis Armor (80pt) Chaplain (60pt) Battleline: Intercessor Squad (10 models, 160pt) - 1 grenade launcher, sgt w/ bolt rifle and thunder hammer Heavy Intercessor Squad (10 models, 220pt) - 2 w/ heavy bolter Hellblaster Squad (5 models, 115 pt) Elites: Redemptor Dreadnought (215 pt) Terminator Squad (5 models, 170pt) - sgt with Cyclone missile launcher and power weeapon Bladeguard Veteran Squad (6 models, 160 pt) - sgt with plasma pistol Heavy Support: Predator Annihilator (135 pt) (economizing down from the suggestion of a Gladiator Valiant) Devastator Squad (5 models, 120 pt) Whirlwind (190 pt) Vindicator (185 pt) Transport: Impulsor (80 pt) Leaves 55 points free for enhancements.

Here’s the list I’m looking at right now. Army traits veteran geurrilas elite sharp shooters WLT grand strategist HQs castellan w/ plas pistol powersword command squad bolter, power sword, relic vox, plasma gun, GL, banner tank commander- demolisher PCs, lascannon troops CST x2 vox, plas, melta, autoguns IS x2 HB plasma vox. RL melta vox Elites kasrkin plasma, flamer, power sword FA scout sentinel multilasers x2 chainsaw, HK HS FOB malleus transports chimera heavy stubber, HB total 975 I told opponent to bring whatever they want, could be knights or deamons of tzeench if you have any suggestions other units I have available exterminator 2 battle tanks basilisk 3 HWS AC, mortars, lascannons taurox w/ ACs baneblade

Here’s a list I’m considering for my next league… ++ Arks of Omen Detachment (Imperium - Adeptus Astartes - Ultramarines) [1,990pts, 4CP] ++ + Configuration + **Chapter Selector**: Ultramarines Arks of Omen Compulsory Type: Heavy Support Battle Size [6CP]: 3. Strike Force (101-200 Total PL / 1001-2000 Points) Detachment Command Cost Game Type: 5. Chapter Approved: Arks of Omen + HQ + Chief Librarian Tigurius: 2) Might of Heroes, 4) Psychic Scourge, 6) Psychic Fortress (Aura) Librarian: 2) Scryer's Gaze, 6) Empyric Channeling, Boltgun, Force stave + Troops + Infiltrator Squad: Helix gauntlet . 4x Infiltrator: 4x Bolt pistol, 4x Frag & Krak grenades, 4x Marksman bolt carbine . Infiltrator Sergeant Intercessor Squad: Auto Bolt Rifle . 4x Intercessor: 4x Bolt pistol, 4x Frag & Krak grenades . Intercessor Sergeant: Power sword Intercessor Squad: Auto Bolt Rifle . 4x Intercessor: 4x Bolt pistol, 4x Frag & Krak grenades . Intercessor Sergeant: Master-Crafted Weapon, Stratagem: Honoured Sergeant, Thunder hammer + Elites + Ancient in Terminator Armour [-2CP]: Rites of War, Stratagem: Hero of the Chapter, Stratagem: Relic of the Chapter . Powerfist and Storm Bolter Apothecary [-1CP]: Chapter Command: Chief Apothecary, Selfless Healer, Stratagem: Hero of the Chapter Relic Terminator Squad: Grenade harness . Relic Terminator: Chainfist, Combi-bolter . Relic Terminator: Chainfist, Combi-bolter . Relic Terminator: Chainfist, Combi-bolter . Relic Terminator: Chainfist, Combi-bolter . Relic Terminator Sergeant: Chainfist, Plasma blaster + Fast Attack + Inceptor Squad: 4x Inceptor, Inceptor Sergeant, Plasma Exterminator x2 + Heavy Support + Centurion Devastator Squad . Centurion: Hurricane bolter, Two Lascannons . Centurion: Hurricane bolter, Two Lascannons . Centurion Sergeant: Hurricane bolter, Two Lascannons Eradicator Squad Heavy melta rifle . 3x Eradicator: 3x Bolt pistol . Eradicator Sgt . Eradicator with MM . Eradicator with MM Hellblaster Squad: Plasma incinerator . 5x Hellblaster: 5x Bolt pistol, 5x Frag & Krak grenades . Hellblaster Sergeant: Bolt pistol + Lord of War + Roboute Guilliman [2CP]: Nobility Made Manifest, Stratagem: Warlord Trait, Warlord ++ Total: [4CP, 1,990pts] ++ Created with BattleScribe Note the Ancient has the Standard of Macragge Inviolate. Super shooty plus a nice counter assault punch. It’s similar to what I used to run but a lil juiced up due to the recent points reduction.

I'm taking the plunge to my biggest tournament yet! I'm under no illusions as to the likely placing I land at, but regardless for the London GT I'm taking my Ultramarines! I always like to theme but I have dropped a couple staples I would ordinarily go with in a slightly more effective outlook to roll with. Check it: What I've found in my tournament and competitive games is that am good on the ground making decisions to score points against lists that otherwise outclass me so I need to determine what those lists are doing that so outclasses my army. I've came to the conclusion my weakest parts are: • Lack of a Thunder Hammer on my Captain. If you're gonna fight, you don't want to rely on D2 weapons. • Lack of Troops. Bare minimum just means I'm holding onto like 3 guys for an objective. More men in each of the Tacticals, with the obvious largest pushing forward, seems prudent. • Lack of the hard edge to take out stuff that otherwise bothers Marines. To this end, I found it to be Mortarian, Leman Russ tanks, elite Heavy infantry, Knights, large Tyranids... adding the Vindicator Laser Destroyer, Attack Bikes and Kratos gives the army an offensive output in a much shorter time frame. Housekeeping wise... the Kratos might yet get a Multi-melta and might even get the Melta Cannon. I can drop a single Marine to make that happen.

So I have a naming convention for my lists: Guilliman lists start with Indomitus, Calgar starts with Victrix. The theme/theory behind this list is that Guilliman (And Calgar) don't have a company of their own. So they get a squad of this and that from each of the companies in the Chapter as the Captains of each company detach a squad detailed to protecting/working with the Primarch/Chapter Master. One of the downsides of the lost wargear/upgrades is it's much harder to fill out the last 30 points or less of a list so this one is somewhat stuck at 1970 instead of 2000 - originally it had a second Infiltrator Squad instead of the Eliminators for exactly 2K -but I like the Eliminators better to support the other two (small i) infiltrating squads. All the infiltrators go deep field in mutual support(Infiltrators shoot, Incursors Stab, Eliminators Las. Guilliman runs around with the Characters, Assault (or 1 squad of Heavy) Intercessors and the Eradicators with the now Master Crafted Heavy Melta Rifle on the Sergeant, while the other Intercessors and the Tactical Squad camp my backfield. With the BGV and Aggressor squad the Intercessors tagging along aren't there so much to fight as to sticky cap whatever the Death Star clears out. The BGV and Honour Guard are there to annoy people who want to shoot Guilliman, the Apothecary is there to annoy the people who try and shoot the BGV and Victrix. I'm tempted to drop the Victrix for something else, but I also recognize sniper units are one of the easiest - but probably rare - ways to annoy me - being able to shoot the center out of that Deathstar and all. After talking to Captain Idaho on another thread it occured to me to give the Eradicator Sergeant a Master Crafted Heavy Melta Rifle. Double shooting a D6+3/D6+5 damage weapon from the Sergeant is arguably even better than a hidden power fist. I could also go with a BGV Ancient but I like the Power Sword Primaris Ancient better. Feel free to debate any of those, or point out some other ideas.

Ever since what was it 5th? That had the Ravenwing Outrider Squad or whatever with 6 bikes, an attack bike and a speeder? I've been trying to keep a Double Wing army going - Raven + Death - as I have UM for most of the Green Wing and don't want to double that up with only so much time to paint and play. With the MFM drops it just got easier, I had about 300-400 points to add back in after the last time I looked at it. Each half of the army is about half - Each one gets two Counts-As Troops, and one-ish "Elite" Unit (the Black Knights and the DW Knights) - each gets a Cap/LT duo with some chapter command. I really wanted to give the DW half a vehicle/toy, but they all teleport, while the Dreads don't. Between the Wing rules, and the standard bearer, the only Bike/Terminator unlikely to get ObSec are the Knights. Without going full one Wing or the other I end up low on ranged (anti-tank) firepower. I know a lot of people are ooh'ing and ahh'ing at the Deathwing right now, but I think a Full Ravenwing army is a Sleeper.

So someone else posted a Tiggy list, which made me take another look at him, and trying a variation of my list to fit him in. This is what I came up with. Calgar, BGV Lieutenant, 6 BGV - CP Gen, 10 4+++ models with basically 39 MC Powersword attacks, and 6MC PF attacks. Bobby G, 1 Ginsu Phobos Libby, 10 Infiltrators with Helix and Comms. Can't shoot outside 12, can't deepstrike inside 12. Tiggy, and 6BGV - 7 4++ models with -1 to be hit, a buncha power weapon attacks, a libby that can Hazardous every turn because they get a 4++ the 3MW IF they ever roll a 1. 5 Heavy Infiltrators 5 Intercessors Land Raider Land Raider 42 Infantry, 2 big vehicles, 1 monster, The only anti-tank is really on the Land Raiders and the Monster which I'm not fond of... The Normal version is Calgar, BGV LT, 6 BGV Bobby G, 1 Ginsu Phobos Libby, 10 Infiltrators with Helix and Coms Gravis Cap, Biologis, 6 Boltstorm Aggressors 5x Heavy Intercessors 5x Heavy Intercessors 5xDevs 4 Grav Cannon 5x Devs 4x Lascannon 3x Eliuminators LAs Fusil Not sure what I like better. The first one I like the idea of the regular Intercessors running around in the Land Raider doing some Sticky Capping. I see some potential for Assault Ramp Shenanigans there. The BGV in the other Land Raider is fairly obvious. The second one feels like a little more firepower and more spread out - 4 LC, 4GC and 3 Las Fusil, the Aggressor Bomb. 2 sets of T6 Objective Holders is also slightly nicer than the sticky cap-ability of the Intercessors.

So I was doing a play-by-play sort of thing with Terminators vs Aggressors and realized they're not too far apart. So I played with my list and tried to push myself to go First Born where I could. This is what I came up with. I don't like everything I took, I'm not a fan of Dev Cents, but they're not bad. Like them, the Firestrikes probably aren't there yet. But for Mix n Match Firstborn Primaris I kind of like it. Its a little too heavy on the big guns, but anything else would have likely gone in the Moving Castle and I like to keep those relatively small. I'm not sure about the Assault Squad, but I do forsee landing next to Guilliman, then using his bonus to Advance and Charge to get them stuck in with an almost 50/50 chance. ++ Arks of Omen Detachment (Imperium - Adeptus Astartes - Ultramarines) [123 PL, 4CP, 1,995pts] ++ + Configuration + **Chapter Selector**: Ultramarines Arks of Omen Compulsory Type: Elites Battle Size [6CP]: 3. Strike Force (101-200 Total PL / 1001-2000 Points) Detachment Command Cost Game Type: 5. Chapter Approved: Arks of Omen + HQ + Chief Librarian Tigurius [7 PL, 120pts] + Troops + Heavy Intercessor Squad [7 PL, 115pts]: Heavy bolt rifle, Heavy bolter . 4x Heavy Intercessor: 4x Bolt pistol, 4x Frag & Krak grenades . Heavy Intercessor Sergeant Incursor Squad [5 PL, 90pts] . 4x Incursor: 4x Bolt pistol, 4x Frag & Krak grenades, 4x Occulus bolt carbine, 4x Paired combat blades . Incursor Sergeant Infiltrator Squad [6 PL, 100pts] . 4x Infiltrator: 4x Bolt pistol, 4x Frag & Krak grenades, 4x Marksman bolt carbine . Infiltrator Sergeant + Elites + Ancient in Terminator Armour [7 PL, -2CP, 105pts]: Chapter Command: Chapter Ancient, Standard of Macragge Inviolate, Steadfast Example, Stratagem: Hero of the Chapter, Stratagem: Relic of the Chapter . Powerfist and Storm Bolter Primaris Apothecary [5 PL, -2CP, 100pts]: Acquittal, Chapter Command: Chief Apothecary, Selfless Healer, Stratagem: Hero of the Chapter, Stratagem: Relic Terminator Assault Squad [9 PL, 165pts] . Assault Terminator Sergeant . . Thunder Hammer & Storm Shield . 4x Assault Terminator w/THSS: 4x Storm shield, 4x Thunder hammer Terminator Squad [9 PL, 165pts] . Terminator Sergeant . Terminator w/ Heavy Weapon: Assault cannon, Power fist . 3x Terminator w/ Power fist: 3x Power fist, 3x Storm bolter Victrix Honour Guard [3 PL, 55pts] + Fast Attack + Assault Squad [6 PL, 90pts]: Jump Pack . 3x Space Marine: 3x Astartes Chainsword, 3x Bolt pistol, 3x Frag & Krak grenades . Space Marine Sergeant: Bolt pistol, Combat shield, Thunder hammer . Space Marine w/Eviscerator + Heavy Support + Centurion Devastator Squad [22 PL, 350pts] . Centurion: Centurion missile launcher, Two Lascannons . Centurion: Centurion missile launcher, Two Lascannons . Centurion: Centurion missile launcher, Two Lascannons . Centurion: Centurion missile launcher, Two Lascannons . Centurion Sergeant: Centurion missile launcher, Two Lascannons Firestrike Servo-Turrets [18 PL, 240pts] . Firestrike Servo-Turret: Twin accelerator autocannon . Firestrike Servo-Turret: Twin las-talon . Firestrike Servo-Turret: Twin accelerator autocannon + Lord of War + Roboute Guilliman [19 PL, 2CP, 300pts]: Nobility Made Manifest, Stratagem: Warlord Trait, Warlord ++ Total: [123 PL, 4CP, 1,995pts] ++ Created with BattleScribe

So I joined up with a local league recently and wanted to play something outside of my usual faire of Space Marines or Necrons. I love the Kroot lore-wise and since it was a casual league that allowed Legendary units, that sealed the deal for me. I didn't think I would do all that well TBH, I mostly just built it for fun, but it's been crushing it so far. Here's the list: 1 Battalion Detachment: Dal'Yth Sept (Sept traits sadly do not effect Kroot units): HQ 1 Ethereal on Disk with 2 Marker Drones: 80pts. WT: Gunship Diplomat, Relic: Seismic Destabilizer. 1 Ethereal on Disk with 2 Marker Drones: 80pts. Troops 60 Kroot Carnivores in squads of 10: 360pts. Elites 2 Shapers with Pulse Rifles: 50pts. 4 Individual Krootox: 112pts. Fast Attack: 12 Kroot Hounds: 72pts. 6 Knarloc Riders in squads of 3: 180pts. Heavy Support: 1 Greater Knarloc: 65pts. Total: 999 Points. So, there are two main features to the army that makes the army pretty solid: First, it's their maneuverability. 7" Pregame move on the Carnivores, then 7" regular. 12" on the hounds, 7" on the Knarlocs with auto 6" for advance. Shapers can even take a 1CP Stratagem to give them aura re-roll advance rolls if that's not enough. Basically, turn one, you can get well across the board and onto any relevant objective. Second is their numbers and surprising durability for their points. The main weakness to the Carnivores is their 6+ save and Ld 6. An Ethereal nearby protects them with both a Ld 9 aura and a 6+ FNP. Putting them in cover helps too, with the aid of the Hidden Hunters stratagem giving a Kroot unit in cover -1 to be hit and +1sv over and above what is given by the cover itself. Between the Knarlocs and Hounds trying up anything of concern, the army gets in fast and locks down the objectives long enough to ensure a victory even if the opponent manages to fight through it all by the later turns. So here's a very brief overview of how the army has done so far. I played 3 preliminary games before the league officially started, all at 1k points. Game 1 vs Blood Angels: He went first and conceded on his turn two. We played center ground and I got on all 4 objectives by the end of my first turn preventing him from scoring; I also killed his 300+ pt Repuslor Executioner with a my 65 point Greater Knarloc and about half if an assault intercessor squad trying to contest an objective. After a failed charge from his Sanguinary Guard out of deep strike on turn 2, he hadn't taken a single objective and scooped up his models. (Though he was super nice about it and asked to play again sometime.) We did't total the points since it ended so early, though I had maxed out on all my scoring so far and it didn't look like it would change. Game 2 vs Astra Militarum: So he played an all tank army fitted with lots of Plasma Cannons that seemed kitted out to take on Space Marines. He didn't have much chance as he simply couldn't roll enough dice to kill all the Kroot and so much of my stuff was ObSec that he couldn't contest the objectives. I scored a perfect 100 that game. (My first time ever.) Game 3 vs Tau (Farsight Enclaves): For this one, while grabbing the objectives, my Knarlocs and Hounds ran into his Riptide and Crisis Suits, trying them up for the first two turns while I took out his infantry with an ocean of Str 4 shots from my Carnivores. By the time the Knarlocs were dead, he'd lost all his infantry and much like the Gaurd player, just didn't have enough dice to dislodge the remaining Kroot from the objectives. I scored 99 points that game. So then the league started in earnest and was structured like so: Game 1: 750pts. Game 2-3: 1,000pts, Game 4-5: 1,500pts, game 6: 2,000pts. League Game 1 vs Custodes: (I cut 20 Carnivores, 3 Riders, 6 Hounds, and a Disk). Easily the hardest game fought so far as it was damn near impossible to kill his models (except for a Hero Krootox that killed 2 custodian guard by himself with some exemplary dice rolling). Much like the other games, I grabbed the midfield turn one in an attempt to choke him out. It essentially turned into a giant brawl on a midfield objective that lasted until the end of the third round with him trading a unit of custodian guard and a few wounds off his captain and dread for over half my army. His use of the Grim Responsibility and the Emperor's Auspice Stratagems prevented an absurd amount of damage that game. However, by the time he'd cleared all that out, I was too far ahead on points for him to make a comeback, though he did close the distance significantly finishing with a score of 82-71 (The original score was 95-71, but I realized afterwards I accidentally selected two secondareis from the same group, whups). So yeah, that's the story of the (as of yet) undefeated Kroot army. I've been really happy with it so far and am looking forward to the rest of the league. If I could change anything, I would cut a unit of Carnivores and a Disk (Spending 1 CP for the extra WT: A Ghost Walks Among Us to compensate for the movement loss) to add another Greater Knarloc. Those things are just so points efficient, but they are damn near impossible to find as they were discontinued so long ago. I'd love to hear what you think of the army and any other improvements that could potentially be made to it.